Israeli soldiers gang rape Palestinian detainee

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https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israelis-protest-arrest-of-soldiers-accused-of-gang-raping-gazan-detainee/3288825#

You can find a sanitised version in Western media outlets that replaces the word rape with abuse but this is the ugly truth of how Israeli soldiers treat Palestinians and how some of the Israeli mainstream excuse it.

Israel has a major problem with its far right who are quickly becoming the mainstream and unless it gets control it will continue to sink lower and lower in the eyes of the world losing all moral credibility. To excuse rape and call rapists heroes with some high ranking politicians and media outlets screaming that what these men did was justified. Open your eyes. No god, no religion, no political ideology, no one with a prick of humanity can condone gang rape. But I am sure I will see genocide apologists defending it on here.

The Palestinian man was a civilian who was being held without charge but regardless is shoving a stick up someone * repeatedly so that they lose the ability to walk anything other than savage barbarity. Disgusting.

Declaring that the depraved actions of some bad men establishes the moral bankruptcy of an entire society is exactly what the propagandists would like people to think and say, so job done.

did you miss that in a recent poll 2/3 of the Israeli population wouldn’t want to see this men in a criminal court and just want them to be disciplined by the army??

No, I didn't miss that so I'm not sure what your point is.

I’ve reported my comment and it’s now deleted.

I think a bit more caution could be exercised by the messenger if considering posting links to virulently antisemitic, terrorist glorifying sources, unless everyone here is ok with IRI propaganda, complete with hate-filled genocidal comments under the articles from charmers such as 'JJ-Glory-to-Hamas' and 'Slay Jude', in which case carry on with the messaging.

I'd imagine the point is that when the majority of society are cool with brutal gang rape something has gone seriously wrong with society.

And here we go again.

Hear we go again what? Do you disagree that the majority of the population being in favour of not prosecuting gang rapist is a terrible thing ? If the majority of people in the UK didn't want gang rapists prosecuted would you not be concerned, you wouldn't think that something had gone seriously wrong? This is in my mind especially concerning in Israel given the power Israelis have over Palestinians and the lack of rights Palestinians have. Israel have the power to detain them and gang rape and torture them at will and that will be backed by the majority of the population which means no repercussions for the perpetrators and no incentive not to be brutal gang rapists. In fact if this gang rapist has been lauded on TV then that is incentive to be brutal. I think that should be spoken about. Your argument of oh but it makes Israelis look bad.... it is bad, it's really bad.

Declaring that the depraved actions of some bad men establishes the moral bankruptcy of an entire society is exactly what the propagandists would like people to think and say, so job done.

On this point no one is saying that the actions of the rapist means an entire society is morally bankrupt, the fact that the majority of society don't seem to care that these men have been brutally raping, that they don't want justice for their victim, that they have paraded him on TV to be celebrated, that is what makes people think there is a vacuum in morals. If there was widespread disgust and these men were being prosecuted then this conversation wouldn't be happening.

If the poll showing 65% is true, then though of course that is not the whole of society, it is a very worrying and surprising proportion of it given the depravity of the crime that was committed and the lack of military discipline it shows.

At no point was my objection to IRI propaganda because it makes Israelis look bad, how ridiculous. The rest of your posts are bit too hyperbolic to deal with but as you said this;
On this point no one is saying that the actions of the rapist means an entire society is morally bankrupt,

I'll just point you in the direction of this earlier from Serenity:
I’m questioning why this is what’s bothering you the most, as opposed to the normalisation (to the point of cerebration) of an entire society’s moral bankruptcy which is literally straight out of the IRI state funded and controlled propaganda handbook.

Hyperbole is such a lazy dismissal

I asked you to highlight the dissent in Israeli society because I did not believe so many would support this, has there been any?

which is literally straight out of the IRI state funded and controlled propaganda handbook.
You keep mentioning the propaganda surrounding this incident but what you mean is the opinions surrounding it because the facts are facts not propaganda

Yeah, that's it, write my post off as hyperbolic and people discussing what is actually happening as 'spreading propaganda'. Are people supposed to join threads just to berate posters? I thought that was what moderaters are for 🙄

None of that post was addressed to you.

This is what I mean when saying it's hard to deal with the hyperbole. I didn't say people discussing what happened is spreading propaganda. I said it's a worry that some people can't seem to discuss what happened without spreading propaganda.

So what are your thoughts then assuming you aren't just here to berate us? How would you describe a society where the majority don't want to see gang rapists brought to trial and for their victim to have justice? Do you think that that thinking could have any ramifications for the Palestinians in their care?

What propaganda was spread though?
As far as I am someone posted a reported fact about a poll and other posters responded to that fact.

If I am not muddled, you then brought up that the news medium reporting that fact was biased against Israelis and elaborated with a few other things it was reporting, that no one else is likely to seen. I don’t believe propaganda was disseminated.

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/israeli-opinion-poll-mistranslated-saying-soldiers-should-rape-prisoners-2024-08-30/

This is Reuters.

If you read to the end it is clear that just 21% of Israelis believed the soldiers involved in the rape should be brought to criminal trial. The 65% think they should only be dealt with by the military instead.

However, the three answers relate to how Jewish Israelis believe soldiers who commit abuses should be disciplined, not whether abuses are acceptable.

According to a Reuters translation, the screenshot shows 65% of Jewish Israelis answered: “They should be dealt with disciplinarily at the command level only.” An estimated 21% answered: “They should be brought to criminal trial," while 14% answered: “I don’t know.”

I posted today about one of the rapers being in Israeli tv and been glorified.
the poster you’re quoting didn’t like the news source I posted this info from as they regard is as pro hamas / propaganda and that their credibility is low . I’ve since requested mnhq to get my comment deleted as I don’t want the thread to continue being derailed.

I don't regard Press TV as pro-Hamas/ propaganda, it IS pro-Hamas/IRI propaganda. If you don't like people criticising your choice of news source, maybe stop posting links to hateful opinions and disinformation and have a discussion about the facts instead.

I don't pretend to know the details about Israel/Palestine but I do know that rape of men during war is incredibly common and also very taboo. It often isn't even addressed by aid agencies or government bodies. In this case the act is horrendous, as it always is. But that it's being talked about at all is some kind of progress. Maybe other victims will feel able to start getting the support they need.

Because they do need it. This happens everywhere, on all sides.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/5153867-swords-of-iron-survey-results-by-the-inss

INSS findings about how people are viewing the reports of rape of detainees are quite depressing.

How so? There's one question that refers to it and that doesn't ask how people are viewing reports of the rape of detainees, it asks how people think the offenders should be prosecuted.

Unless you're also referring to this more ambiguous question about maintaining ethical values in war? It's always a bit tricky when respondents are being asked what they think about two different things in the same question.

Well, the first of the results you've mentioned indicated that a majority of respondents did not think such acts should go through criminal justice processes and should instead just be dealt with within the military. That's quite depressing.

The second question wasn't what I was referencing, but it's interesting that you consider it to be ambiguous. It seems pretty clear to me, and was presumably considered clear enough for the INSS.