Israeli soldiers gang rape Palestinian detainee

[Forevernever24]

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israelis-protest-arrest-of-soldiers-accused-of-gang-raping-gazan-detainee/3288825#

You can find a sanitised version in Western media outlets that replaces the word rape with abuse but this is the ugly truth of how Israeli soldiers treat Palestinians and how some of the Israeli mainstream excuse it.

Israel has a major problem with its far right who are quickly becoming the mainstream and unless it gets control it will continue to sink lower and lower in the eyes of the world losing all moral credibility. To excuse rape and call rapists heroes with some high ranking politicians and media outlets screaming that what these men did was justified. Open your eyes. No god, no religion, no political ideology, no one with a prick of humanity can condone gang rape. But I am sure I will see genocide apologists defending it on here.

The Palestinian man was a civilian who was being held without charge but regardless is shoving a stick up someone * repeatedly so that they lose the ability to walk anything other than savage barbarity. Disgusting.

https://x.com/owenjones84/status/1818712326536937859?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

“Israeli soldiers are systematically torturing, abusing and raping Palestinians.

There's only an investigation into a tiny few for a sham - to stop the International Criminal Court adding torture to its war crimes charges.

Hope @KarimKhanQC is noting all of this!”

“After my Tweet about Sde Teiman, two people who work at the military base there, one in the holding facility and one outside the facility contacted me. I verified their identity and have their permission to say what they saw. I will refer to them as holding facility source and IDF source. The IDF source is quite high up. The other source is not but works there every day.

Here is what they had to say.

Facility Source: "Sometimes I wonder who this is worse for. Them or us. We are guarding the worst people in the world. The worst scum. We see them and we stew in hatred. Some people here lost family, loved ones on October 7th. Then you see the person who did it.

Things happen. Bad things. People have been beaten. People have been killed. I saw one person die. People have been sexually assaulted. Yes. Nothing compared to what they did. But we all know we shouldn't be doing it.

They all tell us they are innocent. So we don't believe any of them. But yeah, some probably did nothing wrong.

It should end. There should be supervision. No one cares what we do. No one got arrested or disciplines until just now. Every day is a nightmare. For us. For them. We all want to get out of this hell. I am a soldier. Not a fucking warden."

IDF Source: "I don't even know where to start. The rot is everywhere and is systematic. It all starts with the office in charge of this. Prisoners should be under the prison service and not the army. But the prison service is making the rules and the IDF is guarding them. That is the worst of all possible worlds.

The 100 unit has been assigned to guard the prisoners. Their job is supposed to be to intervene when there is disorder. They are roguth people. So they are guarding the prisoners. You are letting animals guard animals without supervision and in nightmarish conditions.

When the army tried to create an oversight system, it was dismantled for political reasons. Just look at what happened with MK Zvi Sukkot. He brags that he is tricking the army and courts into torturing prisoners and is happy he makes this kosher with his political appointment.

Its so bad. There is not a single security officer on sight to oversee. So that even if there is a major event no one is responsible.

Everyone who served in Gaza is full of hatred. They have an urge to release the animal in them. Anyone who is put in a room with those who raped their girlfriends or killed their friends without supervision - will get whatever we got.

The problem isn't (just) our soldiers who are hurt and abused but that there is nobody to prevent this. On the contrary, many in the government see this as a blessing. This is the key. The soldiers are just a symptom.

Another thing nobody talks about is all the bodies in fridges near the holding pens. There is no place to store them. Just containers full of dead bodies of inmates."

The two sources paint a gruesome picture of a facility that is hell on earth. It must be closed. Now.”

Shaiel Ben-Ephraim, Israel Analyst, via X https://x.com/academic_la/status/1819519616797860347?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Staggering how brainwashed the Israeli sources are, thinking that someone who probably had no involvement in October 7th, is somehow guilty by association. Having said that, I’m glad that they have started to speak out and I hope it emboldens other to do the same.

Staggering how brainwashed the Israeli sources are, thinking that someone who probably had no involvement in October 7th, is somehow guilty by association.

Yes and also highlights how the current system of IDF soldiers guarding prisoners is a recipe for disaster. They are trained to kill not guard. This is the fault of the IDF commandeers and the Israeli government they are complicit in what's happening

Well done to those speaking out.
They must have punished many more Palestinians than ever took part on Oct 7 by now.

It should end. There should be supervision. No one cares what we do. No one got arrested or disciplines until just now. Every day is a nightmare. For us. For them. We all want to get out of this hell. I am a soldier. Not a fucking warden."

He is so right. The soldiers are being harmed by what they are doing too. Abuse creates a most horribly circular dynamic. Perpetual motion of evil really.

This type of behaviour shouldn’t be allowed, it solves nothing. I could only forgive the family members of those taken for doing this, and they should never be put in a position where they are allowed to do this. It seems to me, that everyone involved is losing here. This should never be permitted, officially or unofficially, it’s a slippery slope.

Haaretz

IDF Prosecution Seeks Extended Detention of Five Israeli Soldiers Suspected of Sde Teiman Abuse
An IDF court reviewed a request to extend the remand of eight suspects accused of severely abusing a Gaza detainee at a detention center for captured terrorists. During the hearing, the prosecution stated that evidence against five of the suspects had been significantly strengthened.

On Sunday, the IDF Beit Lid Military Court discussed extending the detention of the eight soldiers suspected of abusing security detainees held that the Sde Teiman detention facility. The Military Prosecution seeks to prolong the detention of five soldiers until Wednesday and announced that it no longer supports the detention of three of the suspects, who were released and summoned for further investigations.

Absolutely ridiculous to tar the whole army because of these awful actions of a few.
Do you say that about the Russian army? The Ukrainian army? Both have been accused of exactly the same heinous acts.

The behaviour of those soldier guards who did this this reminded me of Russians who also go in for raping prisoners.

I am sorry- but the key point is that it happened in the first place in a country that other western countries see as a Democratic ally. The fact that a minority was able to undertake such acts of barbarism is due to a system that has enabled it- it doesn’t happen out of the blue.

It also does not appear to isolated cases, but a pattern in a particular facility.

The other most notable point is that there was a riot about the charges being brought against the alleged culprits, and certain police refused to help those making the arrest.

There were a significant number preventing justice, and appearing outraged that the abuse was not being ignored.

It wasn't that long ago that a police officer in the UK was sentenced for kidnap, rape and murder. The mere existence of a tiny minority of criminals, doesn't in itself tell you anything about the country.

The question is how do the authorities respond. And it would appear in this case - and actually in any other case of IDF soldiers acting illegally - arrests have been made, and they will be tried in court.

How did the authorities respond? In this case many of the authorities ( soldiers and police ) responded by rioting with the extremists who invaded the police station, or by refusing to help the arresting police.

I was wondering if you have read all the facts?

Sdr Temein where this happened is well known to be abusing and torturing and holding people for too long.

There was not just one bad apple. The culture there has gone wrong.

This is what a guard/soldier from there said “No one got arrested until just now.”

It should end. There should be supervision. No one cares what we do. No one got arrested or disciplines until just now. Every day is a nightmare. For us. For them. We all want to get out of this hell. I am a soldier. Not a fucking warden

The rate and appalling manner of deaths is shocking. This wasn’t a rogue policeman. Can you imagine a police station in the UK systemically torturing its detainees? No - I can’t either.

Dreadful acts have been carried out by authorities in all areas of war - Ukraine, Sudan, Palestine.
Why are you saying a key point is that this happened in Israel? Is Israel expected to behave better and have more morals than other countries where the same things happen?

Isn’t the key point that it shouldn’t happen anywhere and we should be allowed to criticise those actions ?

I think it’s quite appealing that people are rioting to free those that have committed tapes.

Obviously I agree.
soldiers/police who are committing there crimes should be severely punsiehd, whatever country they are from.

I was just wondering why Polka83 was saying it was a key point that Israel shouldn't be doing this. Why is Israel so special? It should not be happening anywhere. Full stop.

Israel claims to have the most moral army. Therefore it either has a definition of moral which is not shared by its allies, or it lies.

When Israel speaks about having a moral army, they mean policy-wise. They're the only army to warn civilians to get out before bombing buildings. Likewise they're willing to sustain casualties in order to protect as many civilians as possible. Hence why they're doing so much ground war instead of bombing.

That doesn't mean every single soldier is going to be the most upstanding and moral person. To make such a claim would just be ludicrous.

They're the only army to warn civilians to get out before bombing buildings.

this is not what gazans are reporting

they're willing to sustain casualties in order to protect as many civilians as possible

this doesn’t sound either that is what they’re doing

I'm somewhat surprised anyone can look at the tactics being used in Palestine and consider the organisation responsible to be 'moral'.

It's bizarre isn't it - almost delusional levels of denial

See 'indiscriminate bombing' Joe Biden

Indiscriminate bombing is what Hamas did for 18 years. Tens of thousands of missiles randomly fired into Israel.

When an enemy army embeds itself within the civilian population, and does everything in its power to maximise casualties of its own people, you get the kind of numbers allegedly happening in Gaza. Civilian casualties are inevitable in this situation, but the blame lies squarely with the Gazaan government.

Food for thought, when the number of bombs dropped numbers about 10,000 more than the number of people killed, that is not a sign of indiscriminate bombing. That is not what happens when you try to kill people.

On the contrary, that is the best proof of Israel trying to minimise casualties.

And another point, one totally dismissed and ignored by Israel's enemies/critics. The people of Gaza, even the civilians, don't want peace with Israel. Not in any shape or form. They just want to be allowed to survive to fight another day. So pray tell, how would Israel even be morally allowed to enter a ceasefire? A government's first obligation is to its citizens. Giving the enemy respite in order to regroup and rearm is doing a disservice to your people. It is immoral and evil.

Before anyone criticises Israel, please answer this: When someone vows to fight you to the death, what other option do you have but to accept their terms?

Yeah Biden knows all that and he still criticised the bombing [and the starving too]

Israel's closest ally

Biden. Not the sharpest tool in the shed. And that's your best answer to my coherent points.

Anyway, I'm not a spokesperson for Israel so do or don't accept, it's all the same to me. I just don't like when the only Jewish state is singled out for (unfair) criticism.