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Conflict in the Middle East

Tel Aviv under attack from at least eight rockets fired from Rafah in Gaza

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keenforhelp · 27/05/2024 20:54

Hamas's military wing claimed responsibility for the attack on Sunday, according to Press Association.

What happened after by Israeli airstrikes was truly terrible - a real tragedy.

But why are Hamas still firing rockets deliberately at a residential city with no combatants.
As long as Hamas are in power rockets will never stop. Plus all the Aid Britain and America are giving just goes straight to Hamas. They started the war haven’t released the hostages and have no intention of surrendering.
The UN orders Israel to stop fighting.
But Hamas are free to continue their attacks.
Makes sense to someone I guess...........

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13461325/Tel-Aviv-attack-eight-rockets-fired-Rafah-Gaza.html

Tel Aviv under attack from rockets fired from Rafah in Gaza

Tel Aviv has come under attack with at least eight rockets fired towards central Israel on Sunday originating from Gaza 's far-southern city of Rafah, the Israeli military has confirmed.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13461325/Tel-Aviv-attack-eight-rockets-fired-Rafah-Gaza.html

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trampoline123 · 28/05/2024 15:39

keenforhelp · 28/05/2024 11:13

Oh for goodness sakes, this is a thread about attacks on Tel Aviv and it has once again become a thread about Israel's apparent yet unproven atrocities in their efforts to dismantle Hamas. Yes, errors have been made, nut nothing intentional and so not a genocidist apologist - just telling it like it is.

Are you serious? You really need to stop getting your news from main stream media and open your eyes!

somewhereovertherain · 28/05/2024 15:39

therealcookiemonster · 28/05/2024 15:35

you may have slightly missed my point

I am 100% with you on the IDFs actions and the long term occupation being a massive issue

however, we have ask what kind of dumb shits goes and does things that will no doubt be used as further excuses to bomb their own people?

I'm good at missing the point.

The sooner Isreal is held accountable by the US and UN for its actions the sooner the issue will be solved, but while the US has their pro-zionist stance everyone is f***

somewhereovertherain · 28/05/2024 15:41

therealcookiemonster · 28/05/2024 15:32

personally I would like A

but practically the only thing that will be accepted in the region is B

But Israel has proven over the 20-30 years that A would never work because they don't want any Palestinians in Isreal

B is the only and correct solution and for Isreal to move out of the occupied areas.

therealcookiemonster · 28/05/2024 15:43

somewhereovertherain · 28/05/2024 15:41

But Israel has proven over the 20-30 years that A would never work because they don't want any Palestinians in Isreal

B is the only and correct solution and for Isreal to move out of the occupied areas.

hence I said B is the only practical solution

A is the ideal solution in an ideal world. unfortunately our world is far from ideal

Cecilly · 28/05/2024 15:56

@DownNative if you think Hamas is going away you need to wake up and smell the hummus. Hamas' recruiting numbers are going up. The more the Israel keeps hitting refugee camps, schools, hospitals, homes, the more they are depriving Palestinians of the basic ability to live as a dignified people, and the more ordinary Palestinians (who previously had no desire to pick up a gun) will retaliate because at this point they literally have nothing left to lose.

NerdWhoEatsMedlar · 28/05/2024 16:20

@DownNative Germany had a two state solution with an international city.

Do you think similar could be made to work for Israel and Palestine?

keenforhelp · 28/05/2024 17:46

Cecilly · 28/05/2024 14:26

I think it's cute the way some people think they can just "eliminate" Hamas. Hamas is an ideology. It's an idea. It will be a cuddly kitten compared with what emerges next from Gaza's rubble. You'll wish for the days of Hamas.

Wish for the days of Hamas???

Are you serious? Do you realise what you are saying - wishing for terrorism, murder, rape and mutilation and destruction of Israel.

How have you got away with saying this?

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somewhereovertherain · 28/05/2024 17:58

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BelleHathor · 28/05/2024 18:07

Oh stop trying to twist Cecilly's words. It's historically accurate, look at Hezbollah born out of Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon. Israel assassinated 2 of it's earlier leaders who were good at small scale offensives but essentially ineffective. They ended up with Nasrallah who has managed to shape it into one of the most militarily powerful non state actors, beating Israel in the 2006 war. Look at the Northern front where 100,000+ settlers are still displaced.

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/beyond-rhetoric-hizballah-threats-after-mughniyeh-assassination

Beyond Rhetoric: Hizballah Threats after the Mughniyeh Assassination

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https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/beyond-rhetoric-hizballah-threats-after-mughniyeh-assassination

TakeMe2Insanity · 28/05/2024 18:19

Any form of resistance to the occupation by Palestinians is labelled as terrorism. Israel’s actions aren’t going to beat them into submission. The reality is the Palestinians will keep on resisting, what form that takes is quite literally in Israel’s hands.

keenforhelp · 28/05/2024 18:28

BelleHathor · 28/05/2024 18:07

Oh stop trying to twist Cecilly's words. It's historically accurate, look at Hezbollah born out of Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon. Israel assassinated 2 of it's earlier leaders who were good at small scale offensives but essentially ineffective. They ended up with Nasrallah who has managed to shape it into one of the most militarily powerful non state actors, beating Israel in the 2006 war. Look at the Northern front where 100,000+ settlers are still displaced.

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/beyond-rhetoric-hizballah-threats-after-mughniyeh-assassination

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Twist her words???

She literally said " You'll wish for the days of Hamas." Plus that they are an ideology.

They are not.

They are a proscribed terrorist organisation, committed to the destruction of Israel.

They are REAL.

They must be eradicated.

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K0OLA1D · 28/05/2024 18:30

keenforhelp · 28/05/2024 18:28

Twist her words???

She literally said " You'll wish for the days of Hamas." Plus that they are an ideology.

They are not.

They are a proscribed terrorist organisation, committed to the destruction of Israel.

They are REAL.

They must be eradicated.

Yeah, shooting through children is not the way to go about eradicating them

keenforhelp · 28/05/2024 18:31

K0OLA1D · 28/05/2024 18:30

Yeah, shooting through children is not the way to go about eradicating them

I can't comment on that without context but what I said is true.

There will be no peace until they are dismantled.

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TakeMe2Insanity · 28/05/2024 18:42

keenforhelp · 28/05/2024 18:31

I can't comment on that without context but what I said is true.

There will be no peace until they are dismantled.

Well bombing kids to dust is obviously step 5 on the road map to peace.

K0OLA1D · 28/05/2024 18:43

keenforhelp · 28/05/2024 18:31

I can't comment on that without context but what I said is true.

There will be no peace until they are dismantled.

What do you need?!

Have you not seen the atrocities? Christ.

AbsoluteYawns · 28/05/2024 18:43

They won't stop attacking Israel.
Hamas want bloodshed they don't actually care who's as it all helps their wicked cause. Which is the ending of every Jewish person.

The PP saying its a few 'home made bombs'...that is infanitislising and minimising their terrorism.

Dulra · 28/05/2024 18:52

keenforhelp · 28/05/2024 18:31

I can't comment on that without context but what I said is true.

There will be no peace until they are dismantled.

There will be no peace until they are dismantled.

But there wasn't peace before Hamas either. Getting rid of Hamas is one element of a lot of things that need to change. This is not about one thing going back to the status quo is no longer a reasonable option for Gaza

TakeMe2Insanity · 28/05/2024 18:55

AbsoluteYawns · 28/05/2024 18:43

They won't stop attacking Israel.
Hamas want bloodshed they don't actually care who's as it all helps their wicked cause. Which is the ending of every Jewish person.

The PP saying its a few 'home made bombs'...that is infanitislising and minimising their terrorism.

And Netanyahu (and so the Israeli population) wants to exterminate every Palestinian.

blackcherryconserve · 28/05/2024 19:00

What is interesting to me is that the Palestinians fellow Arabs are not supporting them by providing shelter and aid. The Egyptians won't accept Palestinian refugees even though they share a border with Gaza. The only support they get is arms from Iran. Why is that?

Sbzm · 28/05/2024 19:28

@blackcherryconserve politics, USA and UK pressure. Nearby Arabs are supporting them in the best way they know how, their governments are not.

@keenforhelp please don’t use the anti-Semite propaganda. Palestinians ARE semites!

YourPithyLilacSheep · 28/05/2024 19:31

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WhatTheFudge0 · 28/05/2024 19:32

blackcherryconserve · 28/05/2024 19:00

What is interesting to me is that the Palestinians fellow Arabs are not supporting them by providing shelter and aid. The Egyptians won't accept Palestinian refugees even though they share a border with Gaza. The only support they get is arms from Iran. Why is that?

Well it's not just shelter and aid is it? And even if it was, shelter and aid for how long? You make it sound so ridiculously simple......

Firstly, It would actually end up being a one-way mass exodus which would ultimately make the Palestinians stateless and unable to return to their country of origin.
Why should they be forced to leave? Why should they be pushed out and become refugees yet again?
Secondly why should fellow Arabs take responsibility of such a huge influx of refugees? Why not Britain who were the grand masters of generosity by gifting European jews the land of Palestine...claiming it was a land without people (an epic lie). Surely they have more responsibility to take in Palestinian refugees than anyone else considering their role.
Lastly, Egypt has very little control or power over delivery of aid when the borders are brutally and violently controlled by Israel.

Efacsen · 28/05/2024 19:38

blackcherryconserve · 28/05/2024 19:00

What is interesting to me is that the Palestinians fellow Arabs are not supporting them by providing shelter and aid. The Egyptians won't accept Palestinian refugees even though they share a border with Gaza. The only support they get is arms from Iran. Why is that?

You'll appreciate that no-one enters or leaves Gaza without the express permission of Israel and Egypt [longstanding treaty]

The only way out of Gaza is via the Rafah crossing which is currently blocked by IDF tanks and breaching the treaty with Egypt

All other exits from Gaza by land and sea are controlled by Israel who is not letting anyone out

Egypt and other nearby Arab countries do not want to see Palestinians driven out of their home, are generally poor counties already hosting a large no of refugees from a variety of countries including Palestine - and pragmatically don't want to bring Hamas into their own lands

Arab countries both near and far have been incredibly generous in providing humanitarian aid - either UAE or Qatar is by far the biggest donor - and Egypt and Jordan both of whom have huge WFP warehouses [overflowing with food aid] have kept the humanitarian aid flowing into Gaza for 8 months

So not at all true to say the only help they get is weapons from Iran

Captaine · 28/05/2024 19:39

SammyScrounge · 28/05/2024 00:28

I'm pretty sure Hamas didn't intend to cause zero casualties or deaths. Their intent was murderous.

As for barbaric and inhumane treatment of civilians, look no further than Hamas and its activities on Oct.7th.

Everything that has come to Gaza stems from Hamas's wickedness last October
and their threat to repeat the attack. Israel cannot be.blamed for saying enough is enough. They are not going to stop until Hamas surrenders or is destroyed.

Everything stems from Hamas… Israel cannot be blamed.. They are not going to stop

Israel are not going to stop, and they cannot be blamed

That really is the two halves of it. Israel will raze Palestine and the Palestinians. They will tell the rest of the world that the Palestinians made them perform genocide on them, and they can’t be held accountable.

Let’s talk about the Double Standard part of Antisemitism, shall we?

keenforhelp · 28/05/2024 19:43

K0OLA1D · 28/05/2024 18:43

What do you need?!

Have you not seen the atrocities? Christ.

I found you saying "Christ" very offensive.

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