Tel Aviv under attack from at least eight rockets fired from Rafah in Gaza

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Hamas's military wing claimed responsibility for the attack on Sunday, according to Press Association.

What happened after by Israeli airstrikes was truly terrible - a real tragedy.

But why are Hamas still firing rockets deliberately at a residential city with no combatants.
As long as Hamas are in power rockets will never stop. Plus all the Aid Britain and America are giving just goes straight to Hamas. They started the war haven’t released the hostages and have no intention of surrendering.
The UN orders Israel to stop fighting.
But Hamas are free to continue their attacks.
Makes sense to someone I guess...........

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13461325/Tel-Aviv-attack-eight-rockets-fired-Rafah-Gaza.html

I for one did report the post at 22.20 to MNHQ as a personal attack on the OP. I'm sure I wasn't the only one to do so.

That was after my post.

@K0OLA1D completely agree.

@MNHQ Why was my post removed?

Koola1d you and other posters made a comment about the OP that I will not repeat.
I reported it.
Sbzm wondered why (facetiously?) an earlier post with the same comment had already been deleted and wanted MNHQ to 'give a bit of feedback.'

I haven't said anything about the op. I said I had seen the other thread that they're on. And I said that I didn't care the word 'Christ' offended her. I said nothing else.

@blackcherryconserve no it was not facetious. I asked in seriousness. The Op started a thread on a discussion and gave a response. In the same regard I can report everyone someone is being called an antisemite.
stop censoring me @blackcherryconserve

@blackcherryconserve btw your quote/unquote on give a bit of feedback wasn’t me either. That was Koolaid. I directly asked why my post was removed.

And antisemitism is by definition prejudice, hostility, or discrimination towards Jewish people, not towards anyone who of you could possibly be called a Semite.

If someone disagrees with the existence of a Jewish state then I don't thibknitd a stretch to think they may be motivated by antisemitism.

@blurry5205 hard disagree there. Many rabbis have spoken against the concept of a Jewish state and have stated that God had ordained them to be stateless and that Zionism goes against Judaism (not me saying this btw just from some rabbis speeches and interviews across the Manchester district).

By your logic, the Jewish rabbis themselves are antisemite.

Again as I mentioned previously, do not confuse anti Zionism with anti semitism. Very different things.

I would feel safer in Israel. However if Israel stopped the war and went back to normal I would then feel safer in gaza.
I would also feel much safer as a palestinian woman with the idf than an Israeli woman with hamas.

There isn't a neat and tidy solution here. Hamas needs removing, then a new leadership in gaza needs intensive support to rebuild for their citizens whilst under monitoring for extemeism, and Israel needs new leadership whilst also under strict monitoring. One question on that side is how was intel of the attack either missed or not acted on.

That doesn't excuse refusing women and children. They could easily leave the men to occupy palestine and try to evacuate women and children like in Ukraine.

You can "hard disagree" all you want, that's what antisemitism means.

It's my understanding that a small minority believe that the state of Israel can't be established until the messiah arrives. I doubt this is a common believe amongst most people calling themselves anti-zionist.

So why do you think there shouldn't be a Jewish state?

Which rabbis? please can you provide some evidence for this, because I don’t know any authentic rabbis who would say such a thing (Im an Ex manchester orthodox Jew, with strong ties still to the community). Even the neturei karta, who are universally rejected by Orthodox Jews, still hold what you would class as zionist beliefs about Israel, they just think the moshiach will come first before we are supposed to return to our homeland.

Israel is so inextricably linked to religious Jewish beliefs, a whole core set of the commandments only apply in Israel, we mention our longing to return to Zion in our prayers daily again and again, that there is no way "many Rabbis will have spoken against the concept of a Jewish state”.

I agree, Hamas just won't stop it's provocation or release the hostages. They make it worse for people in Gaza.

Maybe Israel should make a start by releasing the 10,000 Palestinian hostages.

Israel does not have Palestinian hostages as you put it. See example from the BBC where there is a CLEAR distinction between hostages and prisoners.

There is good reason for this - it's defined very specifically in International Humanitarian Law. The following texts come from the ICRC:

"The International Convention against the Taking of Hostages defines the offence as the seizure or detention of a person (the hostage), combined with threatening to kill, to injure or to continue to detain the hostage, in order to compel a third party to do or to abstain from doing any act as an explicit or implicit condition for the release of the hostage."

And:

"It is the specific intent that characterizes hostage-taking and distinguishes it from the deprivation of someone’s liberty as an administrative or judicial measure."

And:

"Although the prohibition of hostage-taking is specified in the Fourth Geneva Convention and is typically associated with the holding of civilians as hostages, there is no indication that the offence is limited to taking civilians hostage."

And:

"Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions, the Statute of the International Criminal Court and the International Convention against the Taking of Hostages do not limit the offence to the taking of civilians, but apply it to the taking of any person. Indeed, in the Elements of Crimes for the International Criminal Court, the definition applies to the taking of any person protected by the Geneva Conventions."

Now we've established the distinguishing difference between the taking of hostages and prisoners as well as the reality that it's also prohibited to take soldiers as hostages, we can look at the claims levelled against the Palestinian prisoners.

What are the crimes they stand/stood accused of?

55% of the Palestinian prisoners released by Israel in the first three days of the first prisoner releases were accused of various crimes ranging from attempted murder, inflicting serious bodily harm, shooting at people, assault and placing a bomb or throwing an incendiary device.

21% of the released Palestinian prisoners were members of terrorist groups such as Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and Lion's Den.

What are the crimes the Israeli hostages have been accused of?

Precisely zero.

Hamas took Israelis hostage for one reason and one reason only:

"The International Convention against the Taking of Hostages defines the offence as the seizure or detention of a person (the hostage), combined with threatening to kill, to injure or to continue to detain the hostage, in order to compel a third party to do or to abstain from doing any act as an explicit or implicit condition for the release of the hostage."

If you don't want anyone to view you as a sneaking regarder for terrorism, take my advice and simply refrain from trying to create false equivalences, poisoning the well and so on.

Israeli hostage taking is NOT the same thing as Palestinian prisoners being deprived of liberty under International Humanitarian Law.

That's why news organisations such as the BBC does NOT equate hostages with prisoners.

@DownNative - totally agree that hostages are a specific thing and a different thing to prisoners.

I think people make this correlation because 40% of the almost 10,000 Palestinians in Israeli prisons are held without charge or trial.

Which I’m sure we can all agree is wrong.

@79helene oh for Goodness sake! STOP!
This is the internet, I cannot see that poster nor do I KNOW her. Nor do I KNOW she has posted ‘many times’. To call me anti semite for this is what I would disgusting.
I am much more inclined to not believe when commentators comment these things in GENERAL!

@Sbzm1 I stand by what I said.

@79Helene and I by mine. Btw how exactly can you see my other posts when the entire reason I got annoyed was because they were being deleted

@PurpleChrayn why would you just come to see how antisemite a board is? Very telling is that 🤔