New Hamas video of hostages

[Muthaofcats]

The new Hamas video released today of the female hostages selected as the ones they planned to get pregnant was so sickening and I wish I hadn’t seen it.

however, I am also wondering WHY it has not been more widely picked up and broadcast? I don’t understand the silence from the bleeding left; why don’t they see stuff like this and not just feel desperate and sick about those poor poor girls and their families who must be beyond devastated.

Watching the men in those videos helps to counter balance the idea of Israel as the aggressor. I wish more would see it and reflect or even just place those women of equal value to those in Gaza.

How is the world so perverse right now that this warrants a shrug from so many? Or worse, is viewed as justified !?

Yes, and there were plenty of posts on MN saying that most of the people who died on 7 October were shot by Israeli tanks and helicopters. The clear implication being that this was a false-flag land-grabbing exercise.

It beggars belief what goes through some people's minds.

I'm just intensely sad that the world has come to this. Again.

I’m really sorry. That must feel very isolating. I hope the reason your friends haven’t mentioned it is because they don’t have the words and are afraid of causing you pain rather than a lack of care.

I'm so sorry.

That is really poor form I'm sorry.

So sorry PurpleChrayn

A few of my non Jewish friends have been supportive but there is silence from so many others I am shocked. As for so called feminists, their silence is truly shocking as if it's ok for Jewish women to be brutalised in the manner that these young Israeli women have been/are being.

I am on a private Facebook site which is supportive in these dreadful times for Jewish people. Feel free to PM me.

I'm so sorry. That's terrible.

While an internet forum like this can never take the place of real life support from friends, I hope it helps a little to have somewhere that you know there are people who do care.

That's really bad @PurpleChrayn. I guess at times like these you really find out who your friends are. I spoke to a close friend who's dh is Jewish with family in Israel. She knew people murdered on Oct 7th. She doesn't hold the same views as i do but she is my friend and I'd always support her. Everyone just wants the people they love to be safe and secure.
I'm sorry you didn't find that.

I am also a British jew and the videos I saw traumatised me so much that I just cried and cried for about 2 weeks solid.

Would just pace around sobbing and howling and couldn’t focus on my work and had to stop looking for my own mental health.

I was truly shocked by the generational trauma it stirred in me (having relatives persecuted and forced to flee their homeland and others sent to auschwitz).

Was also not expecting the terror it stirred in me; growing up as a child learning of the Holocaust I hated being told that I was Jewish, I felt so ashamed and furious that this was my race because I was so frightened by it all. I just wished it wouldn’t apply to me. It felt so unfair and I hated I had no choice in the matter. I faced anti Jewish comments at school but largely as an adult thought it was no longer a real threat and even started to feel pride for my heritage and what we have all overcome.

october 7th shook me to my core, but the silence after, and the swell of anti semitism since has felt dystopian. Not one of my friends messaged or wanted to talk about it and any efforts to bring it up were quickly dismissed.

I can’t quite believe it is happening and I am having pretty paranoid thoughts about wishing my kids didn’t have Jewish sounding surnames or flinching when my ‘heritage’ comes up in conversations and wondering if I’m imagining people treating me differently or not. One school mum hasn’t spoken to me since it came up in conversation that I’m Jewish. Maybe it’s coincidence. This is the level of my paranoia now.

These threads are a bit like picking at a scab; I guess I engage with them hoping to be proved wrong and to be reassured that the majority of people are good and decent and it’s still only a small edge case of nut jobs that feel hatred for Jewish people and justify what is happening to Israelis. But when you see so many marching along side the islamist extremists who are protesting for Israel’s destruction, and failing to acknowledge the pain of the hostages and families, it feels so lonely and confusing.

But my existential fear is nothing compared with what people actually living in this hell day to day are going through.

I just can’t see how one wouldn’t understand Israel needing to defend itself after watching the footage. I’m not saying it means Israel are or aren’t conducting the war proportionately - that’s a quite separate issue. But in terms of justifying Israel’s right to defend itself, it’s pretty compelling and I don’t understand how reticent people are to accept that.

I don't really have words to adequately respond to your post. A Jewish friend of mine said he had never felt that he had experienced antisemitism before but was utterly floored by October 7. He said it felt deeply personal for the first time in his life and it made me realise how profound this trauma is and how we must listen.

I'm sure all the people who cried "there was no rape" and "they treat the hostages well" will be quick to apologise. Especially the poster who started a whole thread about how the rape claims were "disproven" because some antisemite they follow on x said so.

I'd be sincerely grateful if whoever reported my post could explain what caused offence. Was it the use of the word "Islamofascism"? What else are we supposed to call Hamas and its activities?

It's precisely this kind of heavy-handed censorship that worries me sick. How are we supposed to tackle the current situation if we are not even allowed to describe it in plain speech?

Or is there some other preferred terminology? Please educate me if so.

I was really confused as to why it had been deleted too.

I've just been looking up the term, and it seems it has been used by some rightwing loonies who imply that Islam generally is a vehicle for fascism. Do I really have to spell out that that's not what I was saying?!

ah well

I'd like to know too.

Talk about walking on eggshells!

I think it all depends on who is the moderators here at any given time. I've had posts deleted and then seen others saying the same thing and there's no deletion. And it's never really explained why its deleted, it just says breaking talk guidelines. Unless you've actually been personally insulting, which i have been before, not to my credit..but i think I've calmed down a bit now..

Perhaps report your own post to ask mnhq directly?

Mens default during war situations is rape. Well colour me shocked 😡

As a non-Jewish person I have been really confused by the whole reaction after Oct 7th. I feel that a false narrative has taken hold by alot of particularly young people who have not bothered to educate themselves but ate subject to propaganda. I am gradually educating myself and nothing I have learnt has changed my view that I am 100% on Israels side and they have a rightvtobdefend themselves just as uk would in the same situation. If I was nearer London I would go on the pro Israel demonstrations. I think people are worried about islamist/far left attacks. I wanted to put an Israeli flag up initially but that was a worry.

I read the post, I didn't report it but I'm sure it implied there was a rise in Islamofascism in the UK, I don't remember you mentioning Hamas.

Anti semitism is now acceptable in the radicalised far left.

If by islamofacism @ChickyBricky meant Islamic terrorism of course there has been a rise. It was unheard of up to 20 years ago in the UK.

Hamas are revolting. I cannot understand how people can support them.

Why did it need to mention Hamas? Hamas is not the only extreme Islamist organisation.

Rather than going down the old arguments and offensive language, it might be nice to try to keep the focus of the thread on the women whose families have bravely agreed to share footage of their ordeals to raise awareness and try to keep people's minds on innocent people who should not be forgotten or marginalised.

The world often looks the other way when violence, especially sexual violence, is perpetrated against women. Even more so, when those women belong to a non-'Western' culture or minority group.

As women on this forum, many of us will have said and thought how upsetting and infuriating it is when that happens. If we ourselves can't keep a thread about this on topic, that's a sad day for women, that even we can't put the experiences and pain of women like us ahead of arguing about things that are already being argued about elsewhere on the board.