New Hamas video of hostages

[Muthaofcats]

The new Hamas video released today of the female hostages selected as the ones they planned to get pregnant was so sickening and I wish I hadn’t seen it.

however, I am also wondering WHY it has not been more widely picked up and broadcast? I don’t understand the silence from the bleeding left; why don’t they see stuff like this and not just feel desperate and sick about those poor poor girls and their families who must be beyond devastated.

Watching the men in those videos helps to counter balance the idea of Israel as the aggressor. I wish more would see it and reflect or even just place those women of equal value to those in Gaza.

How is the world so perverse right now that this warrants a shrug from so many? Or worse, is viewed as justified !?

Not seen it mentioned. Not aware there was a video and suspect most aren't.

Hamas pro Palestine are winning the media war. I imagine hamas don't care how many Palestinians die as long as they convert westerners to their struggle.

Videos to show what they are like need sharing.

I've just seen this video. The girls hopping, limping, appears they cut to ankles, why?

Sick vile scum that are Hamas.

Severed Achilles tendon to prevent them running away

Awful. No words for the horror they've had to endure.

God it’s horrendous

I have no words either

Unfortunately, Hamas are a bunch of thugs, so devoid of any critical or rational thinking. Of course most of the hostages have been murdered. And of course, like you are doing here, they will plant the seed that Israel killed them all, ahead of announcing it when the time comes. We know of three, but let’s see how many more they will allege were killed by Israel. If they have the hostages, they would have negotiated a release by now, like they did with the others. The reality is there are none left to use as a negotiating tool I’m afraid.

Wow.

This isn’t good. Posting as such about Hamas

Why?

There is nothing to correct. Wow is my correct response.

Just wow at your heartless comment. 😥

@dungiven

Heartless because on a thread discussing the rapes of women you come on and dismiss and minimise. Have you no empathy at all. What made you lose your compassion for these women.

I feel sad for you, for you lack of empathy and compassion.

Totally agree. It's almost as if oh they were Israelis so deserve it. They were soldiers, it was their job. Imagine if say that had happened in Birmingham or any UK city. The enemy storm in and do what they did on October 7th to our locals.

Imagine someone being so heartless about poor Lee Rigby for instance. Just because someone is connected to the military gives no-one any right to brutalise them in cold blood.

Israel have conscription ffs. The women didn't all choose to be soldiers.

Exactly this. Imagine this happening where terrorists do the same thing in - say- Glastonbury. Para-sail in and murder, rape and kidnap.

I have heard and read so many times on MN and elsewhere that they deserved what happened to them because Israel should not exist. There was a grimly hilarious clip shown of young white Australians university students (I am Australian for context) saying that they deserved it because they were occupiers and colonisers........ um........ maybe they forgot about Indigenous Australians. Bet they'd change their tune pretty fucking fast if they thought that their own rapes and murders would be justified using the same principles.

The lack of humanity in ALL of this is horrifying. Why is it not universally agreed that innocent people of all sides in all conflicts are indeed innocent and what happens to them is an outrage? I just don't understand it.

This.

Some only have sympathy for Palestinian people. Nothing for Israeli people at all regardless of their situation.

Secondly and separately, the hatred of the west as colonisers forgetting that Australian people are mainly descendents of colonisers as are Americans. Beat Israel as a way to hit the west. Forgetting that Judea and Jewish people were indigenous and only considering those that arrived after WW2 from elsewhere (including from other middle East countries where they were unsafe).

Thirdly, forgetting that Jordan and Egypt were occupiers of the area prior.

It feels that most of this stems from hating Jewish people. Especially when other conflicts, problems in the world are largely ignored.

I should have added why is there little sympathy for people from both Israel and Palestine. Some are only sympathetic to Palestinian people eg those women have no sympathy because they were Israeli soldiers. Extremely young, conscripted and taken hostage on 7th October so not responsible for the conflict at all. Just young women who don't deserve yo be raped, killed or kept hostage.

Completely agree.
None of this should be happening. There is very much a feeling of 'if you have sympathy for them, you hate me' running through all these threads. I think it's awful what Hamas have done, I also think it's awful what Israel have done. I've been called antisemitic multiple times on these threads for this opinion.

@Kendodd I think I did that (in a previous incarnation).
Sorry! 💐🌸💮🌼🌺🪻🌷

And I've really examined my heart on this. I've come to the conclusion that there is an element of racism, but it's not antisemitism, it's islamphobia. I expect very high standards from Israel with regard human rights, every bit as high as from my own country, no excuses. Israel is failing in this and deserves every bit of criticism it gets from me imo, exactly as the UK would.

To my shame, I have lower expectations of Palestinians. Likewise waring parties in Africa or other developing nations. Why? I don't know. They're not savages, they shouldn't be treated as such, I should have every bit as high expectations of them as well, they are perfectly capable of high regard for human rights and should get no free pass, as if they can't help themselves. I've described this as expecting the same regard from human life from a bunch of criminals (Hamas) as you would from the police (Israeli government). Although I have always made a distinction between Hamas, and the Palestinian people and the Israeli government and the Israeli people.

Israeli can't bomb it way out of this and I can understand why support for Hamas in Gaza would actually be growing not reducing as a result. I don't pretend there is any logic to this, human beings are driven by emotions not logic. If you're in Gaza and see your children killed or community destroyed, your not going to step back and see the bigger picture, you're just going to want revenge, you're not going to care what happens to you, you've lost everything already. You then have Hamas promising you revenge and drumming up more and more hate.

Meanwhile, those poor young women (and many more) who have done nothing to cause this are dead or are held in torture and thousands of children are dead. Its truly awful.

That's a very interesting post @Kendodd . I have long said that Israel is being held to higher standards than Hamas and it's because people don't even hold a subconscious expectation that Hamas will behave in any other way but with barbaric savagery. And that they don't even get that this is racist,

*edited because my point got even more confused

And yes.... meanwhile innocent people on all sides are being killed, bombed, raped, murdered. And further hatred is being fostered and nurtured and I feel so helpless and that there is no true hope for the world.

It's all unspeakable.

To my shame, I have lower expectations of Palestinians. Likewise waring parties in Africa or other developing nations. Why? I don't know. They're not savages, they shouldn't be treated as such

I really appreciate you saying this. It's like I said on p3, copied here in case you were not hanging onto my every word 🤪
What I was trying to convey is the idea that in the West, we think we know all about fascism: it looks like Hitler, or Netanyahu (both white-looking men in suits); it is supported by corporate greed, which makes us automatically think of the US; these are our default prejudices. The Islamic version embodied by Hamas does not compute with our patronising tendency to see "brown" people as having no wealth, agency, or strategic vision.

The reason I've got so carried away defending Israel is that I DO think double standards are applied, not helped of course by Netanyahu being an arsehole. I think we are very self-critical in the West, and so carry that cynicism over into anything that appears to be influenced by Western capitalism. My DH grew up under Soviet rule and has a very different set of things he's wary of.

Unfortunately, it looks as though any attempt to eliminate Hamas is going to be more like chemotherapy than keyhole surgery, given their level of infiltration and control. It would be almost as difficult if they didn't have the tunnel network, if they didn't deliberately set up base in sensitive targets. In these circumstances, I feel frustrated by the insistence on blaming Israel for everything.

And of course nothing answers the problem of what happens to all the malicious intent if and when this conflict ever "resolves." Energy never dies, it just changes form. People say that to cheer themselves up about dying, but it's just as true of evil.

It's beyond depressing to see just how much malicious intent there is, and the forms it takes. I realise how naive I was before 7 October, about so many things, but particularly our capacity for cruelty and stupidity. Maybe this is the way the world ends for humanity, and if so good fucking riddance to be honest 🤦🏻‍♀️