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New Hamas video of hostages

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Muthaofcats · 22/05/2024 17:00

The new Hamas video released today of the female hostages selected as the ones they planned to get pregnant was so sickening and I wish I hadn’t seen it.

however, I am also wondering WHY it has not been more widely picked up and broadcast? I don’t understand the silence from the bleeding left; why don’t they see stuff like this and not just feel desperate and sick about those poor poor girls and their families who must be beyond devastated.

Watching the men in those videos helps to counter balance the idea of Israel as the aggressor. I wish more would see it and reflect or even just place those women of equal value to those in Gaza.

How is the world so perverse right now that this warrants a shrug from so many? Or worse, is viewed as justified !?

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Limesodaagain · 22/05/2024 22:42

Muthaofcats · 22/05/2024 20:16

I am also a British jew and the videos I saw traumatised me so much that I just cried and cried for about 2 weeks solid.

Would just pace around sobbing and howling and couldn’t focus on my work and had to stop looking for my own mental health.

I was truly shocked by the generational trauma it stirred in me (having relatives persecuted and forced to flee their homeland and others sent to auschwitz).

Was also not expecting the terror it stirred in me; growing up as a child learning of the Holocaust I hated being told that I was Jewish, I felt so ashamed and furious that this was my race because I was so frightened by it all. I just wished it wouldn’t apply to me. It felt so unfair and I hated I had no choice in the matter. I faced anti Jewish comments at school but largely as an adult thought it was no longer a real threat and even started to feel pride for my heritage and what we have all overcome.

october 7th shook me to my core, but the silence after, and the swell of anti semitism since has felt dystopian. Not one of my friends messaged or wanted to talk about it and any efforts to bring it up were quickly dismissed.

I can’t quite believe it is happening and I am having pretty paranoid thoughts about wishing my kids didn’t have Jewish sounding surnames or flinching when my ‘heritage’ comes up in conversations and wondering if I’m imagining people treating me differently or not. One school mum hasn’t spoken to me since it came up in conversation that I’m Jewish. Maybe it’s coincidence. This is the level of my paranoia now.

These threads are a bit like picking at a scab; I guess I engage with them hoping to be proved wrong and to be reassured that the majority of people are good and decent and it’s still only a small edge case of nut jobs that feel hatred for Jewish people and justify what is happening to Israelis. But when you see so many marching along side the islamist extremists who are protesting for Israel’s destruction, and failing to acknowledge the pain of the hostages and families, it feels so lonely and confusing.

But my existential fear is nothing compared with what people actually living in this hell day to day are going through.

I just can’t see how one wouldn’t understand Israel needing to defend itself after watching the footage. I’m not saying it means Israel are or aren’t conducting the war proportionately - that’s a quite separate issue. But in terms of justifying Israel’s right to defend itself, it’s pretty compelling and I don’t understand how reticent people are to accept that.

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I’m so sorry.

lotus786 · 22/05/2024 22:54

What about the thousands of videos coming out of Gaza EVERY SINGLE DAY? What about the 15,000 children who have been killed let alone the orphans, the wounded, and now the starvation and diseases that are killing them. What about their homes being bombed, while whole bloodlines are being wiped out. What about all the brave medics who have been slaughtered? The journalists who have lost their lives? First they are sent out of the north to the south to live in tents and now they are bombing the south, there is nowhere to go?? What about the little girl Hind who was in a car with her uncle, aunt and young cousins and the Israeli army shot at them killing everyone but little Hind who managed to get through to emergency services on a telephone whilst sat in the car with her dead family, She was begging to be rescued. Then the Red Crescent got the go ahead from the army to send an ambulance in to rescue her and what did the Israeli's do? They bombed the ambulance killing two medics and shot Hind who was only 6 years old. This started 76 years ago, not in October. The people of Palestine have been living in an open aired prison with Israel giving them no rights or chance of a future.tens of thousands of Palestinian people including children and disabled have been locked up and put into prisons with no charges brought against them and no trial but yet we call them 'prisoners' when they are really 'hostages'. If the Palestinian people had been treated as equals and humans and had rights then Hamas would not have become what it is. The Israeli government are the ones to blame for Hamas because they are the only other option for the people to support to try to gain freedom and let's not forget there is no Hamas in the West Bank and yesterday a teacher, a doctor and a young student were murdered in the West Bank, this is a genocide happening before our very eyes and all people need to do is look for the information out there on the internet and they will see it's all there.

Limesodaagain · 22/05/2024 22:58

lotus786 · 22/05/2024 22:54

What about the thousands of videos coming out of Gaza EVERY SINGLE DAY? What about the 15,000 children who have been killed let alone the orphans, the wounded, and now the starvation and diseases that are killing them. What about their homes being bombed, while whole bloodlines are being wiped out. What about all the brave medics who have been slaughtered? The journalists who have lost their lives? First they are sent out of the north to the south to live in tents and now they are bombing the south, there is nowhere to go?? What about the little girl Hind who was in a car with her uncle, aunt and young cousins and the Israeli army shot at them killing everyone but little Hind who managed to get through to emergency services on a telephone whilst sat in the car with her dead family, She was begging to be rescued. Then the Red Crescent got the go ahead from the army to send an ambulance in to rescue her and what did the Israeli's do? They bombed the ambulance killing two medics and shot Hind who was only 6 years old. This started 76 years ago, not in October. The people of Palestine have been living in an open aired prison with Israel giving them no rights or chance of a future.tens of thousands of Palestinian people including children and disabled have been locked up and put into prisons with no charges brought against them and no trial but yet we call them 'prisoners' when they are really 'hostages'. If the Palestinian people had been treated as equals and humans and had rights then Hamas would not have become what it is. The Israeli government are the ones to blame for Hamas because they are the only other option for the people to support to try to gain freedom and let's not forget there is no Hamas in the West Bank and yesterday a teacher, a doctor and a young student were murdered in the West Bank, this is a genocide happening before our very eyes and all people need to do is look for the information out there on the internet and they will see it's all there.

This is a thread about the hostages .

Scirocco · 22/05/2024 23:05

@lotus786 I hear your pain. I feel those losses too. There are threads on the board and elsewhere bearing witness to what is happening in Gaza and the West Bank, and discussing those things. There's also the Muslim Mumsnetters board if you want some support in a safe(r) space than this board can sometimes feel. These young women are also deserving of a space where what they have endured and are still enduring can be recognised and acknowledged.

ScrollingLeaves · 22/05/2024 23:42

I think these young women have been heinously treated in every way, and pray there will be a deal for a ceasefire to get them released.

I heard on the news that Netanyahu had refused to meet the families who released the video today. Shame on him.

blackcherryconserve · 22/05/2024 23:49

Muthaofcats · 22/05/2024 20:16

I am also a British jew and the videos I saw traumatised me so much that I just cried and cried for about 2 weeks solid.

Would just pace around sobbing and howling and couldn’t focus on my work and had to stop looking for my own mental health.

I was truly shocked by the generational trauma it stirred in me (having relatives persecuted and forced to flee their homeland and others sent to auschwitz).

Was also not expecting the terror it stirred in me; growing up as a child learning of the Holocaust I hated being told that I was Jewish, I felt so ashamed and furious that this was my race because I was so frightened by it all. I just wished it wouldn’t apply to me. It felt so unfair and I hated I had no choice in the matter. I faced anti Jewish comments at school but largely as an adult thought it was no longer a real threat and even started to feel pride for my heritage and what we have all overcome.

october 7th shook me to my core, but the silence after, and the swell of anti semitism since has felt dystopian. Not one of my friends messaged or wanted to talk about it and any efforts to bring it up were quickly dismissed.

I can’t quite believe it is happening and I am having pretty paranoid thoughts about wishing my kids didn’t have Jewish sounding surnames or flinching when my ‘heritage’ comes up in conversations and wondering if I’m imagining people treating me differently or not. One school mum hasn’t spoken to me since it came up in conversation that I’m Jewish. Maybe it’s coincidence. This is the level of my paranoia now.

These threads are a bit like picking at a scab; I guess I engage with them hoping to be proved wrong and to be reassured that the majority of people are good and decent and it’s still only a small edge case of nut jobs that feel hatred for Jewish people and justify what is happening to Israelis. But when you see so many marching along side the islamist extremists who are protesting for Israel’s destruction, and failing to acknowledge the pain of the hostages and families, it feels so lonely and confusing.

But my existential fear is nothing compared with what people actually living in this hell day to day are going through.

I just can’t see how one wouldn’t understand Israel needing to defend itself after watching the footage. I’m not saying it means Israel are or aren’t conducting the war proportionately - that’s a quite separate issue. But in terms of justifying Israel’s right to defend itself, it’s pretty compelling and I don’t understand how reticent people are to accept that.

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I'm so sorry you are suffering so badly. I am 76 and also the daughter of a Jewish refugee and until 7 October had never faced Jew hatred at all. I had many non Jewish friends but now I feel abandoned by people I thought I knew well.
Both DDs are frightened both for themselves and the reaction of people who realise they are Jewish. They no longer wear their Star of David necklaces.
But what is worse for me is that they 'want to keep their children safe' so that nobody at school knows they are Jewish! My newest grandchild due in the summer will very likely not be given a Biblical or known Jewish name because of this fear, I'd go so far to say paranoia, about how Jews are now perceived by non Jewish Brits.

Februaryfeels · 23/05/2024 00:02

lotus786 · 22/05/2024 22:54

What about the thousands of videos coming out of Gaza EVERY SINGLE DAY? What about the 15,000 children who have been killed let alone the orphans, the wounded, and now the starvation and diseases that are killing them. What about their homes being bombed, while whole bloodlines are being wiped out. What about all the brave medics who have been slaughtered? The journalists who have lost their lives? First they are sent out of the north to the south to live in tents and now they are bombing the south, there is nowhere to go?? What about the little girl Hind who was in a car with her uncle, aunt and young cousins and the Israeli army shot at them killing everyone but little Hind who managed to get through to emergency services on a telephone whilst sat in the car with her dead family, She was begging to be rescued. Then the Red Crescent got the go ahead from the army to send an ambulance in to rescue her and what did the Israeli's do? They bombed the ambulance killing two medics and shot Hind who was only 6 years old. This started 76 years ago, not in October. The people of Palestine have been living in an open aired prison with Israel giving them no rights or chance of a future.tens of thousands of Palestinian people including children and disabled have been locked up and put into prisons with no charges brought against them and no trial but yet we call them 'prisoners' when they are really 'hostages'. If the Palestinian people had been treated as equals and humans and had rights then Hamas would not have become what it is. The Israeli government are the ones to blame for Hamas because they are the only other option for the people to support to try to gain freedom and let's not forget there is no Hamas in the West Bank and yesterday a teacher, a doctor and a young student were murdered in the West Bank, this is a genocide happening before our very eyes and all people need to do is look for the information out there on the internet and they will see it's all there.

Whatabout. Whatabout

This is a thread a out innocent hostages. Not sure if you read the OP

Scirocco · 23/05/2024 06:37

ScrollingLeaves · 22/05/2024 23:42

I think these young women have been heinously treated in every way, and pray there will be a deal for a ceasefire to get them released.

I heard on the news that Netanyahu had refused to meet the families who released the video today. Shame on him.

That is so disrespectful of him, and shows how truly committed he is to the safe return of the hostages. Despicable.

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Muthaofcats · 23/05/2024 06:50

lotus786 · 22/05/2024 22:54

What about the thousands of videos coming out of Gaza EVERY SINGLE DAY? What about the 15,000 children who have been killed let alone the orphans, the wounded, and now the starvation and diseases that are killing them. What about their homes being bombed, while whole bloodlines are being wiped out. What about all the brave medics who have been slaughtered? The journalists who have lost their lives? First they are sent out of the north to the south to live in tents and now they are bombing the south, there is nowhere to go?? What about the little girl Hind who was in a car with her uncle, aunt and young cousins and the Israeli army shot at them killing everyone but little Hind who managed to get through to emergency services on a telephone whilst sat in the car with her dead family, She was begging to be rescued. Then the Red Crescent got the go ahead from the army to send an ambulance in to rescue her and what did the Israeli's do? They bombed the ambulance killing two medics and shot Hind who was only 6 years old. This started 76 years ago, not in October. The people of Palestine have been living in an open aired prison with Israel giving them no rights or chance of a future.tens of thousands of Palestinian people including children and disabled have been locked up and put into prisons with no charges brought against them and no trial but yet we call them 'prisoners' when they are really 'hostages'. If the Palestinian people had been treated as equals and humans and had rights then Hamas would not have become what it is. The Israeli government are the ones to blame for Hamas because they are the only other option for the people to support to try to gain freedom and let's not forget there is no Hamas in the West Bank and yesterday a teacher, a doctor and a young student were murdered in the West Bank, this is a genocide happening before our very eyes and all people need to do is look for the information out there on the internet and they will see it's all there.

glad you were able to get that off your chest.

Now that you’ve said your piece, what do you feel for the girls this thread is about?

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Dulra · 23/05/2024 07:32

SharonEllis · 22/05/2024 22:35

Why did it need to mention Hamas? Hamas is not the only extreme Islamist organisation.

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What else are we supposed to call Hamas and its activities?
The poster said it was about Hamas

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 23/05/2024 07:44

lotus786 · 22/05/2024 22:54

What about the thousands of videos coming out of Gaza EVERY SINGLE DAY? What about the 15,000 children who have been killed let alone the orphans, the wounded, and now the starvation and diseases that are killing them. What about their homes being bombed, while whole bloodlines are being wiped out. What about all the brave medics who have been slaughtered? The journalists who have lost their lives? First they are sent out of the north to the south to live in tents and now they are bombing the south, there is nowhere to go?? What about the little girl Hind who was in a car with her uncle, aunt and young cousins and the Israeli army shot at them killing everyone but little Hind who managed to get through to emergency services on a telephone whilst sat in the car with her dead family, She was begging to be rescued. Then the Red Crescent got the go ahead from the army to send an ambulance in to rescue her and what did the Israeli's do? They bombed the ambulance killing two medics and shot Hind who was only 6 years old. This started 76 years ago, not in October. The people of Palestine have been living in an open aired prison with Israel giving them no rights or chance of a future.tens of thousands of Palestinian people including children and disabled have been locked up and put into prisons with no charges brought against them and no trial but yet we call them 'prisoners' when they are really 'hostages'. If the Palestinian people had been treated as equals and humans and had rights then Hamas would not have become what it is. The Israeli government are the ones to blame for Hamas because they are the only other option for the people to support to try to gain freedom and let's not forget there is no Hamas in the West Bank and yesterday a teacher, a doctor and a young student were murdered in the West Bank, this is a genocide happening before our very eyes and all people need to do is look for the information out there on the internet and they will see it's all there.

Disgraceful post! Why don’t the Ukrainians give the land back to Russia too right? Oh wait that’s different- why?! Can’t think why.

ChickyBricky · 23/05/2024 07:47

Scirocco · 22/05/2024 22:42

Rather than going down the old arguments and offensive language, it might be nice to try to keep the focus of the thread on the women whose families have bravely agreed to share footage of their ordeals to raise awareness and try to keep people's minds on innocent people who should not be forgotten or marginalised.

The world often looks the other way when violence, especially sexual violence, is perpetrated against women. Even more so, when those women belong to a non-'Western' culture or minority group.

As women on this forum, many of us will have said and thought how upsetting and infuriating it is when that happens. If we ourselves can't keep a thread about this on topic, that's a sad day for women, that even we can't put the experiences and pain of women like us ahead of arguing about things that are already being argued about elsewhere on the board.

I wasn't being at all argumentative, and was unaware that I was using offensive language. I'd have appreciated someone challenging my well-intentioned post and giving me a chance to explain what I meant by it.

If you re-read the original post, you will see that this thread is not just a place to express dismay at the plight of these captives. The conversation we were trying to have was about censorship and bias, particularly the Left's apparent blindness to the threat faced by Israel.

My comment was very much on topic, and the fact that it was deleted kind of proves the point made by the OP.

Presumably "Islamofascism" is the word that caused offence. I looked it up, and to my dismay found on Wiki that it does have a problematic history, so I am sincerely sorry to have upset anyone.

What I was trying to convey is the idea that in the West, we think we know all about fascism: it looks like Hitler, or Netanyahu (both white-looking men in suits); it is supported by corporate greed, which makes us automatically think of the US; these are our default prejudices. The Islamic version embodied by Hamas does not compute with our patronising tendency to see "brown" people* as having no wealth, agency, or strategic vision.

*a description borrowed from numerous MN posts, not my own perception, just to make that clear...

Tel12 · 23/05/2024 07:49

I don't know why the Israeli government didn't negotiate for the release these poor hostages right from the beginning.

ChickyBricky · 23/05/2024 07:51

lotus786 · 22/05/2024 22:54

What about the thousands of videos coming out of Gaza EVERY SINGLE DAY? What about the 15,000 children who have been killed let alone the orphans, the wounded, and now the starvation and diseases that are killing them. What about their homes being bombed, while whole bloodlines are being wiped out. What about all the brave medics who have been slaughtered? The journalists who have lost their lives? First they are sent out of the north to the south to live in tents and now they are bombing the south, there is nowhere to go?? What about the little girl Hind who was in a car with her uncle, aunt and young cousins and the Israeli army shot at them killing everyone but little Hind who managed to get through to emergency services on a telephone whilst sat in the car with her dead family, She was begging to be rescued. Then the Red Crescent got the go ahead from the army to send an ambulance in to rescue her and what did the Israeli's do? They bombed the ambulance killing two medics and shot Hind who was only 6 years old. This started 76 years ago, not in October. The people of Palestine have been living in an open aired prison with Israel giving them no rights or chance of a future.tens of thousands of Palestinian people including children and disabled have been locked up and put into prisons with no charges brought against them and no trial but yet we call them 'prisoners' when they are really 'hostages'. If the Palestinian people had been treated as equals and humans and had rights then Hamas would not have become what it is. The Israeli government are the ones to blame for Hamas because they are the only other option for the people to support to try to gain freedom and let's not forget there is no Hamas in the West Bank and yesterday a teacher, a doctor and a young student were murdered in the West Bank, this is a genocide happening before our very eyes and all people need to do is look for the information out there on the internet and they will see it's all there.

It's all horrible, of course it is. But this is not really the place to reiterate all that. You'll find plenty of other threads to express those views.

As someone who is (despite my best efforts) fairly clumsy on social media, I can recommend you have a read of this! 😊

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Whataboutism - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

twoforj0y · 23/05/2024 07:59

I read the news online and haven't seen this? I just checked my sky news app and the Israel/hamas war tab hasn't updated since the news of Ireland recognising Palestine.

Obv., I'll go looking now, but to the OP, yes it is not making news ... thanks for highlighting

EllaDisenchanted · 23/05/2024 08:17

twoforj0y · 23/05/2024 07:59

I read the news online and haven't seen this? I just checked my sky news app and the Israel/hamas war tab hasn't updated since the news of Ireland recognising Palestine.

Obv., I'll go looking now, but to the OP, yes it is not making news ... thanks for highlighting

Found this on the BBC https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg33j53qe31o.
This was the daily mail https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13447359/Hamas-terrorists-taunt-young-Israeli-women-threat-rape-footage.html
Nothing on Sky that I can see
Yes on the daily telegraph https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/05/22/israeli-parents-release-chilling-video-of-hostage-daughters/
Nothing on the Guardian that I can see either

Horrifying new footage shows Hamas kidnappers threatening women

WARNING: Graphic content: These are the horrifying first moments in captivity for the five youngest women held in Gaza by sick Hamas fanatics since October 7.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13447359/Hamas-terrorists-taunt-young-Israeli-women-threat-rape-footage.html

EllaDisenchanted · 23/05/2024 08:17

EllaDisenchanted · 23/05/2024 08:17

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The BBC one I had to hunt. It was on the list of updates, but not on the main part of the Middle East page, I had to go looking for it.

Therapy4all · 23/05/2024 08:20

Edited as others have mentioned the news outlets who have reported on this.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 23/05/2024 08:22

Tel12 · 23/05/2024 07:49

I don't know why the Israeli government didn't negotiate for the release these poor hostages right from the beginning.

Negotiation with terrorists bring more terrorism and more hostage taking.

A full on attack breeds more terrorism.

There is no winning strategy here. It's all very bleak.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 23/05/2024 08:24

The poor girls.

Bloodied, terrified, beaten by big men with guns.

Humdingerydoo · 23/05/2024 08:28

Tel12 · 23/05/2024 07:49

I don't know why the Israeli government didn't negotiate for the release these poor hostages right from the beginning.

Probably has something to do with Hamas not even bothering to tell anyone who they had kidnapped. Hard to negotiate when you don't even know what you're negotiating for.

Also, remember the time Israel negotiated with terrorists and had to return 1027 prisoners, a lot of them terrorists, in order to get one soldier back after? One of the released terrorists was Sinwar, who then went on to plan October 7th. Which just goes to show what happens when you negotiate with terrorists.

But don't worry, your one-sided blame on Israel has been noted. Most people would probably blame the kidnappers and murderers for kidnapping and murdering, but I suppose it's different when it comes to Israel.

Scirocco · 23/05/2024 08:39

The Guardian has at least mentioned it now, in the live blog page. Disappointingly, that's all there seems to be, so far, which is not good enough.

SharonEllis · 23/05/2024 08:55

Humdingerydoo · 23/05/2024 08:28

Probably has something to do with Hamas not even bothering to tell anyone who they had kidnapped. Hard to negotiate when you don't even know what you're negotiating for.

Also, remember the time Israel negotiated with terrorists and had to return 1027 prisoners, a lot of them terrorists, in order to get one soldier back after? One of the released terrorists was Sinwar, who then went on to plan October 7th. Which just goes to show what happens when you negotiate with terrorists.

But don't worry, your one-sided blame on Israel has been noted. Most people would probably blame the kidnappers and murderers for kidnapping and murdering, but I suppose it's different when it comes to Israel.

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Also, I think the attack was so heinous and existential that a strong response was needed alongside any negotiating for the hostages. And, as far as how, when etc negotiations were going on literally noone on this board has any idea. Israel regularly has no good options when faced with existential threat only a series of least worst.

AdamRyan · 23/05/2024 09:16

twoforj0y · 23/05/2024 07:59

I read the news online and haven't seen this? I just checked my sky news app and the Israel/hamas war tab hasn't updated since the news of Ireland recognising Palestine.

Obv., I'll go looking now, but to the OP, yes it is not making news ... thanks for highlighting

Front page of BBC atm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg33j53qe31o

Naama Levy (family handout)

Israeli hostage's family hopes video is reminder of need for deal

New harrowing footage shows the moment Naama Levy and other women were seized by Hamas gunmen.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg33j53qe31o

Pinkjarblujar · 23/05/2024 09:20

I have seen it on multiple sites. It's horrific. I don't know why you feel it isn't being covered.

In terms of atrocities it is obscene. However it's not genocide so I wouldn't expect it to be reported on in the same way as the Gazan deaths which are so multitudinous that their faces and names could never be featured.