New Hamas video of hostages

[Muthaofcats]

The new Hamas video released today of the female hostages selected as the ones they planned to get pregnant was so sickening and I wish I hadn’t seen it.

however, I am also wondering WHY it has not been more widely picked up and broadcast? I don’t understand the silence from the bleeding left; why don’t they see stuff like this and not just feel desperate and sick about those poor poor girls and their families who must be beyond devastated.

Watching the men in those videos helps to counter balance the idea of Israel as the aggressor. I wish more would see it and reflect or even just place those women of equal value to those in Gaza.

How is the world so perverse right now that this warrants a shrug from so many? Or worse, is viewed as justified !?

If that is the case it's a real shame because I don't think the video will have the sympathetic reaction they need....due to the Israeli governments bloodthirsty war...the families know that absolutely no regard has been given to the hostages safety...

Like I said to another poster if that's the case, it's now released after a lot of deaths caused by Israel...I can't see them getting the support they need....it's not like Netanyahu ever planned for their safe release...if so he would habe handled everything differently.

I think most people would be enormously sympathetic and saddened by the horrific plight of these hostages and the fact that your first response is to consider the video a PR stunt rather than feel sympathy reflects very poorly on you.

Yes. Somebody said upthread they thought the women were pregnant or butchered by Hamas - I think unfortunately there is quite a high chance they've died as a result of the Gaza war. I really hope not because they have been let down at every turn. Not listened to when they warned of the attack. Left vulnerable on the border and now still in captivity.

I continue to be horrified that some people can only have empathy for innocent victims on one side of the conflict. These girls/ teenagers have been enduring a living nightmare for months .

Only read first post and haven't (won't) watch the video as I fear it'll be too horrific. To ask, it's a video of female hostages, and their captors are saying they plan to rape them and make them pregnant? Have I got that right? How exactly is that 'resistance against occupation'?
Who are these women?
Can you name them and post a picture?
There was a campaign a while back to publicise the picture and back story of political prisoners, facing the death penalty in Iran. You picked one person and shared their name/story on social media with the idea that this would put pressure on the Iranian government not to kill this particular person because the world was watching. It probably didn't work but was better than nothing. Is there any kind of campaign like that for the hostages? I've seen lots of lists online of all the names and pictures but don't know who these individual women in this video are.

yes this.

And yes the girls were soldiers. But they have conscription in Israel for 2 years straight after school. So they might be 'soldiers' but they were girls aged 18-19 like any other girl aged 18-19.

Like other posters have said- I am Jewish and many of my friends know that I am Jewish although it has never been something I am very open about. I have not heard from a single friend who knows I am Jewish ANYTHING about October 7 and the aftermath. Not a single person reached out to say anything at all. Not even an 'are you feeling okay?'. Even with all the rampant anti semitism that has been displayed since then. Not a sausage.

I lived in Ukraine for a while and have many Ukrainian and Russian friends. After Putin invaded I reached out to both sides saying I was thinking of them and hoped for peace. I asked my DCs to keep an eye on a little Russian girl in their class in case some of the kids decided to target her. That seems not to have happened thank Goodness. Because like a functioning normal person I can see that individuals should not be blamed for the horrors that others perpetrate. Yet since October 7 I see people targeting Jewish people- for the acts of a Government of a completely different country that they have no control over or often even a relationship with.

My older DS has learning difficulties and he is terrified that someone will find out we are Jewish. He asked me if we could 'Get the Jewish bits' out of our blood so we can 'hide better and be safe'.

I’m so sorry. The lack of empathy is devastating

Negotation is the only way out for them...I'm just not sure releasing the video now is going to help them...

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Think it's unlikely too - but the families are beyond desperate and therefore willing to try absolutely anything particularly as the prospect of a negotiated release is looking so grim

But don't think the timing is anything to do with Netanyahu PR - it rather works against him inciting more anti-Netanyahu/anti-war demonstrations in Israel

Based on what? Why are you saying I'm lying About having empathy for palestinian prisoners?

To ask, it's a video of female hostages, and their captors are saying they plan to rape them and make them pregnant?

Kendodd they are very young, female. conscripted soldiers, who had barely left school.

They were ‘spotters’ on the border. They did plenty of ‘spotting’ that an attack was afoot but were not taken seriously.

Some were killed by Hamas on Oct 7, some escaped, some were captured.

The video is body cam footage of Hamas terrorists tying up the hands of those they’d captured and making them sit by a wall; then taking them and loading them into a truck. At one point you hear a Hamas fighter say this is one for ‘impregnating’. There is another who says to a girl ‘You are so beautiful’ Another who says ‘Be quiet’. These are translations from Arabic.

One girl also says she has friends in Gaza. Another answers she is from TelAviv when asked where she is from. Maybe they said this in English.

Some of these little school girl soldiers we see in the video are bloody from wounds from the original attack presumably. One has to hobble on one leg while being supported by Hamas fighters into the truck. They are not wearing army fatigues as some are still in their pyjamas.

They had been left alone at the border.

I think Israel learned their lesson from Gilad Shalit and know that, sadly, negotiating with terrorists always backfires badly.

I believe they must have had to act without regard for the hostages, otherwise Hamas would have them over a barrel.

Behind the scenes, I'd imagine they have seen footage that they are not sharing with anyone. Given how sadistic Hamas are, and how they enjoy causing maximum distress to the extended family and friends of their victims, it would be very surprising if they hadn't milked the situation for every drop of pain they could cause. I'm sure there have been some very difficult decisions to be made in the interests of protecting Israel in general rather than the unfortunate captives.

The video dates from 7 October; one way or another, I'd be surprised if they are still alive. If they are, their lives will never be the same again. I wish I could find the words to express how sorry I am for what they must have endured.

That this thread is still bombarded with people sneering at Israel's "PR stunts" etc is truly sickening and proves the point OP made in her original post, and that we have been trying to discuss since.

Yes of course they would (and should) but the video.being released right now is just not going to help...too many deaths in Gaza has overshadowed the hostages...which is a tragedy for both sides

I can understand their desperation...I suppose they have to try everyrhing...and here's hoping it works for them...however I am extremely cynical of the Israeli government which makes me question everything

It seems that, if these female soldiers had been listened to, Oct 7th attacks might have been prevented. I feel this should make them a higher priority in the Israeli government's eyes - in that they tried to prevent something terrible, and to protect their country. Or perhaps I've misunderstood something.

Oh Gilad Shalit? The IDF soldier who was released alive after negotations?

I'm sure you're right...it's much better to kill, bomb and commit war crimes instead of trying to protect their citizens.

And make no mistake the IDF can be just as twisted and sadistic as Hamas...

The thread was hardly 'bombarded' with the term PR stunt, it was said once.....calm down

I agree it’s all a tragedy for both sides.

ScrollingLeaves

The definition of Zionism is pretty simple: it was a movement for (originally) the re-establishment and (now) the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel. It was established as a political organization in 1897 under Theodor Herzl.

I am Jewish (although I do not practice the religion) and a Zionist. DDs are the same except that one is not a Zionist and the other is.

The reason I am a Zionist is because I believe that Jews need their homeland in which they can be free from anti semitism. This is how Herzl began his campaign for a Jewish homeland during the pogroms that took place in Eastern Europe in the late 19th century.

My belief stems mainly from the fact that my mother's family lived in Germany during the first half of the 20th century. My uncle escaped from Dachau (as far as I'm aware, the first German concentration camp where Jews and Communists were imprisoned) in 1936 and went to South America. My mother arrived here aged 19 while my grandmother, we later discovered died ina concentration camp alongside most of her extended family.

Therefore the only place Jews can be safe (the irony doesn't escape me!) is in Israel. The rampant antisemitism that has taken over many countries in which Jews have previously assimilated well and felt safe is today's driver in the belief that is Zionism. Universities, schools and workplaces are no longer welcoming to Jewish people who are afraid to acknowledge their Jewishness. This is how Nazism grew in Germany 100 years ago and partly why the Jewish State was founded in 1948.

There will be plenty on MN who will read this and say 'whatabout ...' but if you want to know why a Jewish homeland is imperative to most Jewish people (religious or otherwise) this is my pennyworth FWIW.

Well, I'm not a right-wing nut job... it's just an observation from my line of work, that those on the left-left-left are definitely fascist in the sense of "a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control." They're like the bloody Stasi 😁 and I think their rigid views leave them rather vulnerable to being manipulated into antisemitism, especially if it's fashionable.

Are you referring to me? I didn't call you a liar...or question your sympathy for Palestine...I did question your understanding of the original post though....

Errrrmmmmmm well he wasn't just let out with a pat on the back and a bag of sweets. Hopefully you're aware of what the extortionate "exchange rate" was, and what some of the 1,027 released Palestinians went on to achieve.

I don't speak Arabic, but the translation of one of the Hamas terrorists words is reported to be “These are the girls that can get pregnant”

Naama Levy, 19, her ankles were sliced to stop her running. There is blood on the seat of her trousers. She says to the terrorists (in English) "I have friends in Palestine". Likely true, as she was involved in the Hands of Peace program that works to build bridges, and break down hate between Israelis and Palestinians.

Agam Berger, 19, wearing her pyjamas. Just moments before, she managed to call her father, Shlomi, and told him there was gunfire all around her

Liri Albag, 19. From other sources, she is constantly being moved between homes of Hamas families forced to work as a servant, cleaning and cooking and taking care of their children. Traces of Liri’s blood were discovered in one of these homes, inside of a child’s bedroom.

Karina Ariev, 19, seen being taken captive in two separate videos posted by Hamas bloodied and beaten.

Daniella Gilboa, 19, a singer and songwriter. Daniella has been singing and playing piano since childhood, dreaming of becoming a professional musician.

Yes I know the campaign you are talking about with Iranian prisoners, and have shared their stories before. It has value; from Iranian people I follow, they say that when enough people raise awareness, it can actually have an affect (in some cases, sadly not all), as the Iranian government do not want another uprising.