Admitting Gazan refugees would be proof that Britain has a death wish

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Camilla Tominey in the Telegraph today.
The sheer level of hatred in this article horrifies me. Am I wrong to feel so shocked by this?

@AdamRyan
Most refugees will have nothing to do with Hamas and will be traumatised people looking for safety.

Of course! but even if <1% were keen on supporting Hamas, it's a risk to the UK.

You can say that about any refugee that comes into the UK or anyone at all for that matter.

Well, yes, indeed.

Edited to add: But Hamas have made what you could call a bold statement to the world. And as MN often advises, when someone shows you who they are, believe them. Just a tiny proportion of support could have catastrophic consequences.

Might we expect the intrepid Braverman to be covering this issue in a national paper soon?

it is rather racist to base immigration policy on some kind of vague goodwill towards those we consider less fortunate.

No idea what this sentence even means. There is also a difference between immigrants and refugees. An immigration policy would not cover refugees/ asylum seekers

I wonder how many would take in someone on here. Is it more about SM posts

Is any country doing this?

Yeah, Brexit really shattered my illusions about democracy because I realised that the majority of the electorate aren't really capable of making well informed decisions. There isn't a better alternative, unfortunately, so we are stuck with it. I guess I'm just more resigned now to the fact that we'll only ever get governments that are as good as the electorate deserves. It's depressing really.

True! I used the wrong words, sorry.

Maybe, not sure.

I think a greater risk to the UK would be caused by doing nothing and shrugging while hundreds of thousands of Gazans die due to the actions of our allies. That is a breeding ground for radicalisation.

Paradoxically I think helping Gazans now will make us safer in future.

I think we're all wise enough to realise refugees being welcomed to the UK is based on skin colour and not morals.

I'd certainly rather get rid of all the feral white English kids who terrorise my area and take in innocent kids and families from Gaza.

And would people really feel good about turning away if the alternative is the majority of the population dying? It would be a massive stain on the collective conscience. Half the population are children.

I'd certainly rather get rid of all the feral white English kids who terrorise my area and take in innocent kids and families from Gaza

Oh wow, you're so cool and liberal...well done you

This is just xenophobic tripe as usual, used to stir up hatred.

Palestinians don't WANT to be "asylum seekers" in the UK or anywhere else in the world. They want to live freely, in Palestine, the land that is rightfully theirs.

Many things change in 50 years.

This was exactly what I was thinking

Paradoxically I think helping Gazans now will make us safer in the future

Does 'us' include our UK minority Jewish communities?

Mn was pretty intense about Ukrainian refugees, I wonder if those posting about it the most did the scheme

Also people tend to forget a couple of years later and complain about net migration figures

Palestinians don't WANT to be "asylum seekers" in the UK or anywhere else in the world. They want to live freely, in Palestine

Tbf people in Israel probably want similar. To live safely and freely, not think about the evidenced threat from neighbours

On both sides I think people can see that.

You call it controversial, I call it, at best, ill informed and at worse, well take a guess.

@Dulra
The 71% is from a Palestinian polling organisation, PCPSR, March 2024 response in Gaza to the question: "In your view, was Hamas decision to launch its offensive against Israel on 7 October a correct or incorrect one?" Support has risen from 57% in December 2023 (there is a reverse trend in the West Bank, i.e. started higher but falling).

Press Release: Public Opinion Poll No (91) | PCPSR

There are methodological questions of course (perhaps pressure to give the majority response has inflated the number. Conversely some 'no's may have been about tactics or timing, not the principle). But 71% is far too high for me to feel comfortable saying we should treat this as any other case. Especially because the target of some of that anger is likely to be at the UK, because of the UK's support of Israel, and at Jews in Britain. (I haven't seen any data on Palestinian views of the UK, but I have seen data on views of Jews, and it's uncomfortable. We wouldn't feel comfortable about it from white supremacists and I don't think we should feel comfortable about it in this case either).

(I'm about to go out so if I don't respond that is why).

Are Palestinian refugees allowed to return home after they've fled.

Here, the quiet part is said out loud. Non white immigration is welcomed as a means of doing down the people we really dislike, namely the lower socio economic classes.
just awful

Only 5% of people think being gay is fine, probably the same 5% who think Hamas committed war crimes, I’d happily take that 5%.

You can deeply dislike the Israeli government without thinking 7th October was ok. I’m not sure that with a background of escalating threats against Jewish communities it would be a good idea tbh.

I am happy to support funding for humanitarian aid etc but I think we also have to confront the idea that sometimes asylum seekers will hold extremely repugnant views and have to decide whether it matters to the communities they will be coming into or not. But I do think we need to be more honest about that. Being a victim (and the majority of Palestinians in my view are victims of circumstances) doesn’t mean you are liberal and tolerant person.

Genuinely blows my mind that you ever thought otherwise. I’ll stick take parliamentary democracy over the dictatorship of the bien- pensants, thanks all the same

Mind blown again … how is it possible to be so naive about the nature of hamas and the impossibility of distinguishing between those who support them and those who do not among the Palestinian population?
is it just let’s start typing and see what comes out day?