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Conflict in the Middle East

Admitting Gazan refugees would be proof that Britain has a death wish

671 replies

Cantonet · 18/05/2024 09:51

Camilla Tominey in the Telegraph today.
The sheer level of hatred in this article horrifies me. Am I wrong to feel so shocked by this?

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MissyB1 · 18/05/2024 14:47

The racists on here… Eugh…

Firstly, OP, why would you be surprised that the Torygraph prints such shit though? They represent supporters of a party that has no shame and is openly islamaphobic.

Secondly, why on earth should the Palestinian people be forced out of their land? They shouldn’t need to be refugees, that’s ethnic cleansing. They should be given their own state which Israel should now have to pay to build.

inamarina · 18/05/2024 14:48

trampoline123 · 18/05/2024 14:37

Ukrainians bypassed plenty of countries to seek refuge here.

Some Ukrainians did. As far as I know, the largest numbers were taken in by Poland and Germany (around a million each).

SharonEllis · 18/05/2024 14:50

Having said I completely disagree with any nonsense about this country being full and I completely support the right of refugees to come here, and our rsponsiblity to them, I think taking in Gazan refugees would be a huge risk. As someone else has said they are traumatised and radicalised and according to any evidence we have seen there is is a high level of very enthusiastic support for the attacks on Jews of October 7th. Not forgetting that prior to October 7th Gazans regularly conducted smaller scale terrorist attacks against Jews. There is a reason why Egypt and other ME regions don't want them, because they have enough problems of their own with radical Islamism and Islamist terrrorism. This is the tragedy of the Palestinian people, no doubt. But its surely a problem that has to be solved in the ME.

Medschoolmum · 18/05/2024 14:50

AGlinnerOfHope · 18/05/2024 14:47

Ukraine has a lot of similarities to uk- weather, cultural religion, farming, diet at least broadly.
It’s European. It’s a big place, so loads of variety, but more similar to uk than Gaza.

Yeah.

Plus we have plenty of space for white European refugees.

Whereas we are "full" when it comes to accepting brown Muslim refugees. Obviously.

suburburban · 18/05/2024 14:51

CatSucker · 18/05/2024 14:44

Why is it our responsibility to take thousands of refugees from Gaza? Where are they going to live? Young people in this country are desperately in need of their own homes but they are stuck living with parents well into their 20s due to the housing crisis. They are surrounded by countries that are more than capable of helping them. Send aid by all means but we cannot open our doors to thousands every time there is a crisis in the world.

Have to agree, it's difficult enough as it is

Crepester · 18/05/2024 14:52

I don’t think it would be a good idea either. My support goes out to Palestinian people but because Britain and America etc have behaved poorly in supporting Israel I think we would attract some wanting revenge.

Then innocent people here would get harmed and Israel would smugly say “ I told you so” to justify their illegal settlements and war crimes etc and Palestinians would get stigmatised here. All in all it wouldn’t benefit them.

Comedycook · 18/05/2024 14:55

In terms of Ukraine vast majority went to Poland....over 1.5 million. The UK took a couple of hundred thousand. Also remember the UK supports Ukraine. Why would Gazans want to seek refuge in a country which is allies with Israel?

CroftonWillow · 18/05/2024 14:56

The only thing it would be good for would be the expansion of the faith in the west. The only people I'd expect to support that would be Muslims given the history of the religion.

suburburban · 18/05/2024 14:59

CroftonWillow · 18/05/2024 14:56

The only thing it would be good for would be the expansion of the faith in the west. The only people I'd expect to support that would be Muslims given the history of the religion.

Wouldn't be good for other faiths though in the UK

I think it is right to be concerned about this

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 18/05/2024 14:59

AGlinnerOfHope · 18/05/2024 13:26

Why would it be appropriate for people from Gaza to bypass all the countries around them and move to the UK? Surely they are culturally more suited to their neighbouring countries?

I can’t see a legitimate reason for the UK to be a better destination than all of those on the doorstep.

Not only that, Egypt is right next door and a massive country. Proplr could easily step into the country and go back once Hamas is taken out

We all know why Egypt wont all free access to the people and is a fact that some will never accept - so sad

SharonEllis · 18/05/2024 15:00

FaeryRing · 18/05/2024 14:08

In isolation, is it right wing to refuse any amount of refugees from anywhere under any circumstances? Curious to hear the answer from anyone who considers themself very left wing.

Edited

It would be pointless to answer that question because in the real world the question is never asked or answered in isolation.

AGlinnerOfHope · 18/05/2024 15:00

Medschoolmum · 18/05/2024 14:50

Yeah.

Plus we have plenty of space for white European refugees.

Whereas we are "full" when it comes to accepting brown Muslim refugees. Obviously.

If the uk is so intrinsically racist and parochial, why were we happy to accept Vietnamese boat people in the 70’s?

AGlinnerOfHope · 18/05/2024 15:04

There was a huge surge of support for unaccompanied migrant children a few years back. Several of my friends registered to foster.

I don’t think people in the uk are intrinsically unwelcoming to people with dark skins or who are not Christian

Medschoolmum · 18/05/2024 15:07

AGlinnerOfHope · 18/05/2024 15:04

There was a huge surge of support for unaccompanied migrant children a few years back. Several of my friends registered to foster.

I don’t think people in the uk are intrinsically unwelcoming to people with dark skins or who are not Christian

OK. I missed that surge of support.

When I worked with unaccompanied asylum seeking children, most of whom were deeply traumatised, I was appalled at how much racism and hostility they encountered in our local community. One of them was attacked with a hammer a week after arriving in this country... and he had thought he was coming from a place of persecution to a safe haven.

FaeryRing · 18/05/2024 15:08

People accepted Ukrainian refugees because it seemed temporary. They’re fighting hard to get their country back, so they were evacuees more than anything. Where there’s no proper organised resistance and no prospect of return any time soon people are more wary.

Equally I don’t think it’s unusual or exclusively a white phenomenon to take more interest in a country that is closer or shares more of a culture. People of Muslim background seem more vocal and interested in Gaza than they are in Ukraine, for example.

PrettySenior · 18/05/2024 15:21

GeneralPeter · 18/05/2024 14:14

I'm very pro-immigration, and I would not support allowing large numbers of Palestinian refugees into the UK.

Contrary to what the article says, we do have a reasonable idea of what Gaza residents think of Hamas and the attacks, because it gets polled regularly, including by Palestinian-run polling organisations.

The latest data I could find:

71% of Gazans support the October attacks on Israel (see link)
5% believe that Hamas committed war crimes (separate poll)

Many countries in the region have given shelter to Palestinians groups at one time or another, and regretted it because it destabilised their politics.

www.pcpsr.org/en/node/969

I am a strong supporter of increased immigration, on economic grounds, liberty grounds, and humanitarian grounds. For that to be democratically legitimate and politically feasible it must be, and be seen to be, beneficial, or at least benign.

Mass migration from a deeply traumatised population the large majority of which (71%) support a terrorist slaughter is not going to help that. If I had grown up in Gaza, I'd probably be amongst the 71% (no reason to believe I wouldn't be). But that doesn't change the risk profile.

This 100%. I'm half Jewish and non-practicing and if this country suddenly decided to admit tens of thousands of Hamas supporters I would feel very unsafe and would feel I had to look for a way to leave myself. I can only imagine how practicing Jews would feel. It's an incredibly naive idea and only supported by those with nothing to lose by it - not those of us who would be under attack.

Amongst those refugees would also be many innocent people. We should be looking to Egypt and other Muslims countries to do more, not the U.K.

Cloclo93 · 18/05/2024 15:22

If Britain stop supplying weapons to Israel to help kill the Palestinians they wouldn't have to flee from there land.

suburburban · 18/05/2024 15:25

AGlinnerOfHope · 18/05/2024 15:04

There was a huge surge of support for unaccompanied migrant children a few years back. Several of my friends registered to foster.

I don’t think people in the uk are intrinsically unwelcoming to people with dark skins or who are not Christian

Possibly because they see how Christians are treated in Moslem countries or anyone else who doesn't want to practice Islam and perhaps they feel overwhelmed by how the place they live in is changing

Why is that not understandable

Februaryfeels · 18/05/2024 15:27

I don't think the realism of the original article is particularly hateful.

Having seen the baying mobs on 7 October and every time a poor hostage is released, I'm not sure why they should come here.

Comedycook · 18/05/2024 15:35

Cloclo93 · 18/05/2024 15:22

If Britain stop supplying weapons to Israel to help kill the Palestinians they wouldn't have to flee from there land.

We supply less than 1% apparently. Pretty sure if we stopped there wouldn't suddenly be peace.

SharonEllis · 18/05/2024 15:44

Cloclo93 · 18/05/2024 15:22

If Britain stop supplying weapons to Israel to help kill the Palestinians they wouldn't have to flee from there land.

Britain supplies about 1% of Israel's arms. Stopping that 1% would have next to no effect.

SharonEllis · 18/05/2024 15:45

Comedycook · 18/05/2024 15:35

We supply less than 1% apparently. Pretty sure if we stopped there wouldn't suddenly be peace.

Oops, sorry to repeat!!

ChickyBricky · 18/05/2024 15:47

Not speaking about Islam in general, but fundamentalist Islam clearly has some very aggressive expansionist elements, just as Christianity once did e.g. during the Crusades. Well-meaning liberalism doesn't serve us well in the face of religious fanaticism. We just can't grasp the restless dedication to eradicating everything that stands in the way of achieving a very specific outcome. If it were 1% of those invited in, that would be more than enough to cause absolute mayhem, but as PPs have mentioned the percentage would seem to be higher.

quantumbutterfly · 18/05/2024 15:47

Medschoolmum · 18/05/2024 14:50

Yeah.

Plus we have plenty of space for white European refugees.

Whereas we are "full" when it comes to accepting brown Muslim refugees. Obviously.

You know that only dogs can hear that whistle don't you?

NecessaryNC24 · 18/05/2024 15:49

SharonEllis · 18/05/2024 14:50

Having said I completely disagree with any nonsense about this country being full and I completely support the right of refugees to come here, and our rsponsiblity to them, I think taking in Gazan refugees would be a huge risk. As someone else has said they are traumatised and radicalised and according to any evidence we have seen there is is a high level of very enthusiastic support for the attacks on Jews of October 7th. Not forgetting that prior to October 7th Gazans regularly conducted smaller scale terrorist attacks against Jews. There is a reason why Egypt and other ME regions don't want them, because they have enough problems of their own with radical Islamism and Islamist terrrorism. This is the tragedy of the Palestinian people, no doubt. But its surely a problem that has to be solved in the ME.

Agree with every word.