Admitting Gazan refugees would be proof that Britain has a death wish

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Camilla Tominey in the Telegraph today.
The sheer level of hatred in this article horrifies me. Am I wrong to feel so shocked by this?

I’m perhaps further north than you, as none seemed to actually arrive up here. My communities (mainly foster carers or Christians as I work in the church) we’re enthusiastic and welcoming.

Yeah, I can believe that. I'm an atheist but a lot of my former colleagues were Christian and they were clearly motivated by their faith to assist those young people. Many of them were amazing, compassionate individuals who had dedicated their lives to caring for the most vulnerable.

Sadly, I did not find that their compassion and hospitality was widely reflected in the wider community. We had to keep our properties as bland and unidentifiable as possible so that they weren't targeted... why on earth people would think to attack a charity that works exclusively to support extremely vulnerable children and teenagers, I will never understand, but it tells you something about the attitudes that people hold.

Reuters.

Yes but they are white and not Muslims, didn't you know?

Yeah it's small compared to USA, but uk has still supplied £185m military technology, £136m for aircrafts, helicopters and drones, and £30m in grenades, bombs and missiles and there still supplying military aid to Israel daily unfortunately. But yeah definitely wouldn't be peace for as long as there under Israeli occupation. The creation of Israel was a violent process with countless of massacres committed against the Palestinian people ture out the years in order for them to leave there land! There homeland they don't want to leave and why should they

Yes but it would be a small start. It's the least they could do after the mess up with The Balfour Declaration

I don't wish to be controversial, but they also have no record of attacking people in the name of making God great.

Plenty of Ukrainians sought refuge in Poland (and Germany, and Czech Republic), so it’s a bit disingenuous to claim they “bypassed plenty of countries to seek refuge here”.

💯 agree with her

Let’s see Egypt, Jordan, Saudi, UAE open up to refugees first and then we’ll see.

@Cloclo93

The UK stopping military support wouldn't make much difference.

If the US did, that would be different.

What would you expect to happen and would you support it?

I expect that without US military support Israel would fall, possibly in the most horrific manner with millions of Israeli dead. I couldn't support that.

If you actually vared about the people in this conflict you'd come up with something better than pointless virtue signalling.

Ignoring Right of Return. They're never allowed back once they leave as refugees. This has always been the case.

Egypt should not help Israel to ethnically cleanse Palestinians

This has to be one of the most racist prejudiced threads I have read on Mumsnet in a long time and that's saying something. There is also a complete lack of understanding about the difference between asylum seekers, migrants and programme refugees and each countries legal responsibility in this.

If, and it is a big if, Palestinians were able and needed to flee an active conflict zone as in Gaza they would in all likelihood be considered programme refugees. Countries would get a quota as to how many they can take in, similar to Ukrainian refugees, similar to Syrian refugees and Bosnians back in the 90s. The majority of refugees generally get housed in neighbouring countries but not all so Britain may be required to take some. So it's a not a case of why us because most European countries will be required to take some.

Someone questioned the safety of taking in traumatised people, I'm unsure why? Most asylum seekers are. You have taken in Syrians, Iraqis, afghans and so on. If it is done properly the right psychological supports should be put in place

Someone suggested it wouldn't be temporary. I would argue it would I doubt Palestinians want to leave Gaza for good they have never demonstrated that wish.

The tone of what's being said is so dehumanising to people living in a war zone and your resistance to provide them with a safe place to live pretty horrible especially when the likelihood of it happening is so remote yet you can't help yourself kicking the boot in.

I think this is about right. Israeli ministers have suggested Palestinians should go to Europe, and they have chosen to use arms which have been hugely destructive, decimating the city. It is their choice to make Gaza uninhabitable, and their idea to force people into Europe. Therefore the Israeli government should take responsibility and rebuild a state for these people. If they don't, obviously the refugees will arrive in Europe, even if they start in Egypt. Anyone who supported the campaign in Gaza was in favour of creating a refugee crisis in Europe.

decimating the strip, I should say.

I am a white European. When the Ukraine war started and refugee settlement schemes were broadcast I remarked to my Muslim colleague that I had never seen such unprecedented enthusiasm to take in refugees. Her only response was “they are white”. It was such a short sentence but it summed it up perfectly.
I agree with the OP. The article is horrible and so is this thread. Clearly empathy is conditional.

Had no one learnt anything from Brexit? Labelling one side as racist because they disagree with you and your side as good stops open discussion and debate. And only divides people. We see the exact same thing happening in the gender debate too, but I distress.
Increasing the number of people coming to live in this country (any country) has both positive and negative consequences. Can we discuss that without pointing the figure and shouting racist?

The UK can't even provide basic (not even proper, basic) mental health support and housing to people already here.
Note that I didn't say British people. Everyone - British citizens, immigrants , whatever, currently here.
Nothing.

So where are the 'right psychological supports' magically going to come from for Gazans?

There's a lot of hatred in that article and this thread, which is disgusting. However, people aren't wrong regarding the practicalities of the situation. Not to mention the added difficulties of refugees getting used to a vastly different culture.

It would be far better for 'European' countries, if they wish to do something, to financial contribute to the refugees remaining close to home. I have no doubt some will make their way here, because they have additional resources and/or family living here. But that's on an individual basis, rather than en-masse.

With regards to the Ukrainians, surely that seemed much more like a short term solution?

It seemed at the time that the Russia/Ukraine conflict would be short lived and that the Ukrainians would return fairly soon.

I don't think it's as simple as them being white. It's not just the colour of their skin or their religion.

Yes. Maybe we should get people to compile a list of the countries they would take refugees from and the countries they won't. Will save a lot of time and maybe protect people from having to read so much bile on this thread.

Jordan already has somewhere between 2 and 3 million Palestinian refugees in case you weren't aware.

Jordan already has somewhere between 2 and 3 million Palestinian refugees in case you weren't aware.

Everything is blamed on refugees here.
Lack of housing? Refugees, of course. The fact that Thatcher allowed council houses to be sold and that not enough houses were built to replace those sold is not the cause of this crisis and that the trend has continued since then.
Not enough doctors/nurses? Refugees, of course. Wait, no that's Brexit and terrible working conditions/pay.
Lack of school places? Refugees, of course. Nothing to do with total lack of investment/ building/maintaining school for years and years.
All this is due to the government's policies. They have mastered scapegoating and people lap it up. I won't mention the millions spent to line the pocket of their cronies but refugees...
According to posters here, every Gazan ( including babies/children) are potential terrorists. People tend to forget that every single terrorist who committed atrocities in the UK were homegrown. They are here already, being groomed on the net. That's why Prevent was created.
Secondly, why on earth should the Palestinian people be forced out of their land?
Baffling, isn't it? Some posters can't wait to see the back of these pesky Palestinians, one way or another...

Can we discuss that without pointing the finger and shouting racist

Actually we should always call out racism.