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Conflict in the Middle East

Admitting Gazan refugees would be proof that Britain has a death wish

671 replies

Cantonet · 18/05/2024 09:51

Camilla Tominey in the Telegraph today.
The sheer level of hatred in this article horrifies me. Am I wrong to feel so shocked by this?

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headstone · 18/05/2024 17:55

We helped create Israel even though it meant that the indigenous Arabs would have ultimately have to live under a cruel occupation. They weren’t docile enough, So we support and sell the most harmful and sophisticated weapons to use on occupied people who are defenceless. We would not dream of offering them asylum even though we created the circumstances that meant they had know where to go. Why should Egypt which is a poor country deal with a situation the west created?

Auvergne63 · 18/05/2024 17:55

ChickyBricky · 18/05/2024 17:16

@AdamRyan
Most refugees will have nothing to do with Hamas and will be traumatised people looking for safety.

Of course! but even if <1% were keen on supporting Hamas, it's a risk to the UK.

Love the double standard!
<1% of weapons sold to Israel by the UK: tiny amount, not worth thinking about.
<1% of allegedly Hamas supporter: we are doomed.

Marjoriefrobisher · 18/05/2024 17:55

Auvergne63 · 18/05/2024 17:55

Love the double standard!
<1% of weapons sold to Israel by the UK: tiny amount, not worth thinking about.
<1% of allegedly Hamas supporter: we are doomed.

Wut

ChickyBricky · 18/05/2024 17:56

Auvergne63 · 18/05/2024 17:42

You call it controversial, I call it, at best, ill informed and at worse, well take a guess.

Ill informed? Just Google militant Islam, I'm not inventing it. I wish I was!

And I am not in any way implying that such radical extremism represents the whole of Islam.

Regarding your hint that I'm a racist xenophobe, I wish I could share my home situation with you. You would laugh and apologise for getting me so wrong.

Marjoriefrobisher · 18/05/2024 17:57

Auvergne63 · 18/05/2024 17:55

Love the double standard!
<1% of weapons sold to Israel by the UK: tiny amount, not worth thinking about.
<1% of allegedly Hamas supporter: we are doomed.

See that apple and that aardvark? Thems the same thing innit?
absolute vintage stuff here

Limesodaagain · 18/05/2024 18:05

The public opinion poll results posted earlier were very alarming but I imagine the horror of the last few months has increased extremism and hatred in Gaza. I would have hoped Gazans would realise Hamas is, in large part, also responsible for their suffering. But its hard to be fair and rational when you’re terrified and angry.
Regarding the refugee situation… can anyone explain why Eygpt etc are not willing to take Palestinian refugees?

Humdingerydoo · 18/05/2024 18:06

Medschoolmum · 18/05/2024 16:46

Jordan already has somewhere between 2 and 3 million Palestinian refugees in case you weren't aware.

Right, and how many of those are from when the West Bank was annexed by Jordan themselves until 1967?

Anyway, I believe that refugees should be treated like humans rather than cargo. If they feel that they need to leave their homes they should have some kind of say in where they go. Maybe they don't want to go to Egypt just because it's the physically closest country? It's a different culture and a different dialect from what they're used to. It'd be a bit like sending a Spanish refugee to France - I'm sure they'd have a few things in common but also loads that they wouldn't. Maybe the UK would be a better fit for some Palestinians than Egypt would be. I don't know. It's also not up to me to make that judgement, I feel like it should be at least partly up to them.

There are Palestinians who know full well what Hamas truly are. These people should be helped wherever possible, if for no other reason than that they will hopefully one day be the ones in charge of Gaza. Hopefully, they are the future.

keenforhelp · 18/05/2024 18:07

MissyB1 · 18/05/2024 14:47

The racists on here… Eugh…

Firstly, OP, why would you be surprised that the Torygraph prints such shit though? They represent supporters of a party that has no shame and is openly islamaphobic.

Secondly, why on earth should the Palestinian people be forced out of their land? They shouldn’t need to be refugees, that’s ethnic cleansing. They should be given their own state which Israel should now have to pay to build.

So what political party are not considered to be Islamophobic?

Tories- they are racist and Islamophobic

Labour Party? No. ( they are Islamophobic -apparently not supporting a ceasefire/some suggesting it is because Starmer's wife is Jewish rather/Muslim councillors withdrawing support for Labour).

So they can't like any newspaper eg Guardian, Mirror, Mail, Telegraph, presumably.

Auvergne63 · 18/05/2024 18:08

ChickyBricky · 18/05/2024 17:56

Ill informed? Just Google militant Islam, I'm not inventing it. I wish I was!

And I am not in any way implying that such radical extremism represents the whole of Islam.

Regarding your hint that I'm a racist xenophobe, I wish I could share my home situation with you. You would laugh and apologise for getting me so wrong.

Next time be more precise in your wording because the implication was there.

Dulra · 18/05/2024 18:08

GeneralPeter · 18/05/2024 17:42

@Dulra
The 71% is from a Palestinian polling organisation, PCPSR, March 2024 response in Gaza to the question: "In your view, was Hamas decision to launch its offensive against Israel on 7 October a correct or incorrect one?" Support has risen from 57% in December 2023 (there is a reverse trend in the West Bank, i.e. started higher but falling).

Press Release: Public Opinion Poll No (91) | PCPSR

There are methodological questions of course (perhaps pressure to give the majority response has inflated the number. Conversely some 'no's may have been about tactics or timing, not the principle). But 71% is far too high for me to feel comfortable saying we should treat this as any other case. Especially because the target of some of that anger is likely to be at the UK, because of the UK's support of Israel, and at Jews in Britain. (I haven't seen any data on Palestinian views of the UK, but I have seen data on views of Jews, and it's uncomfortable. We wouldn't feel comfortable about it from white supremacists and I don't think we should feel comfortable about it in this case either).

(I'm about to go out so if I don't respond that is why).

Edited

That's not the same as saying 71% support terrorists. It is far more complicated than that.
Do we poll every refugee fleeing persecution?

Comedycook · 18/05/2024 18:08

Limesodaagain · 18/05/2024 18:05

The public opinion poll results posted earlier were very alarming but I imagine the horror of the last few months has increased extremism and hatred in Gaza. I would have hoped Gazans would realise Hamas is, in large part, also responsible for their suffering. But its hard to be fair and rational when you’re terrified and angry.
Regarding the refugee situation… can anyone explain why Eygpt etc are not willing to take Palestinian refugees?

There's a thread on here from last year titled "why won't Egypt help the Gazans". Sorry I am useless and have no idea to do links...but it's a very interesting thread if you look it up

AhNowTed · 18/05/2024 18:09

@Limesodaagain

"can anyone explain why Eygpt etc are not willing to take Palestinian refugees?"

They would have no right to return.

Marjoriefrobisher · 18/05/2024 18:09

Humdingerydoo · 18/05/2024 18:06

Right, and how many of those are from when the West Bank was annexed by Jordan themselves until 1967?

Anyway, I believe that refugees should be treated like humans rather than cargo. If they feel that they need to leave their homes they should have some kind of say in where they go. Maybe they don't want to go to Egypt just because it's the physically closest country? It's a different culture and a different dialect from what they're used to. It'd be a bit like sending a Spanish refugee to France - I'm sure they'd have a few things in common but also loads that they wouldn't. Maybe the UK would be a better fit for some Palestinians than Egypt would be. I don't know. It's also not up to me to make that judgement, I feel like it should be at least partly up to them.

There are Palestinians who know full well what Hamas truly are. These people should be helped wherever possible, if for no other reason than that they will hopefully one day be the ones in charge of Gaza. Hopefully, they are the future.

If you can explain how, in an evacuation situation, you can reliably tell t’other from which, I’d love to hear.
its quite difficult preventing terrorists and their sympathisers entering the country in a more normal situation. I really can’t see how we’d do it here.

Auvergne63 · 18/05/2024 18:10

Marjoriefrobisher · 18/05/2024 17:57

See that apple and that aardvark? Thems the same thing innit?
absolute vintage stuff here

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, innit?

Medschoolmum · 18/05/2024 18:10

keenforhelp · 18/05/2024 18:07

So what political party are not considered to be Islamophobic?

Tories- they are racist and Islamophobic

Labour Party? No. ( they are Islamophobic -apparently not supporting a ceasefire/some suggesting it is because Starmer's wife is Jewish rather/Muslim councillors withdrawing support for Labour).

So they can't like any newspaper eg Guardian, Mirror, Mail, Telegraph, presumably.

Edited

Perhaps "Muslims" don't all think the same thing?

Edited to note that I was responding to your original post and not the edited version.

keenforhelp · 18/05/2024 18:11

Dulra · 18/05/2024 18:08

That's not the same as saying 71% support terrorists. It is far more complicated than that.
Do we poll every refugee fleeing persecution?

Who one earth would Gazan people want to come to an Islamophobic operated Tory administered, not supporting ceasefire country?

I can think of some reasons...

Marjoriefrobisher · 18/05/2024 18:11

Auvergne63 · 18/05/2024 18:10

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, innit?

Doesn’t know what sarcasm is either. No surprised there

Limesodaagain · 18/05/2024 18:13

AhNowTed · 18/05/2024 18:09

@Limesodaagain

"can anyone explain why Eygpt etc are not willing to take Palestinian refugees?"

They would have no right to return.

So I assume that would be the same if they came to the Uk? They would have no right to return?

Humdingerydoo · 18/05/2024 18:13

Marjoriefrobisher · 18/05/2024 18:09

If you can explain how, in an evacuation situation, you can reliably tell t’other from which, I’d love to hear.
its quite difficult preventing terrorists and their sympathisers entering the country in a more normal situation. I really can’t see how we’d do it here.

I don't know, but I imagine those who have been vocal about hating Hamas in the past could be prioritised and then interviewed. Background checks? I don't know. I just believe that refugees should have some kind of say in what happens to them, that's all.

I don't, however, think terrorists or their supporters should have any say in what happens to them so I have no answers! Not any helpful ones anyway. My answers would mostly just be very sweary.

ChickyBricky · 18/05/2024 18:19

Auvergne63 · 18/05/2024 18:08

Next time be more precise in your wording because the implication was there.

No, no; it really wasn't. Your view of me is very clear, but it is incorrect.

Auvergne63 · 18/05/2024 18:19

Marjoriefrobisher · 18/05/2024 18:11

Doesn’t know what sarcasm is either. No surprised there

Love insulting people instead of presenting a well balanced counter argument?
Of course, you do.

inamarina · 18/05/2024 18:23

Auvergne63 · 18/05/2024 17:34

Many things change in 50 years.

You think the UK is more racist now than it was 50 years ago?

floppybit · 18/05/2024 18:29

@GeneralPeter that was a really informative and well written post

Northernnature · 18/05/2024 18:41

It hasn't had much coverage but an asylum seeker in hartlepool murdered a random person "for Palestine."https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-68899601
Given our govts uselessness at vetting asylum seekers it is reckless to suggest giving asylum seekers from Palestine refuge, they would have no idea whether Hamas were also amongst them and world put Jewish people at high risk. Their first responsibility should be to British citizens.

Ahmed Alid after his arrest (picture shown to jury and use approved by prosecutors throughout the trial)

Extremist Ahmed Alid guilty of Hartlepool knife murder

Moroccan asylum seeker Ahmed Alid told police he stabbed two men in protest at the Gaza conflict.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-68899601

Auvergne63 · 18/05/2024 18:42

inamarina · 18/05/2024 18:23

You think the UK is more racist now than it was 50 years ago?

I wasn't living in the UK 50 years ago.

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