How have we come to a state where the police confront someone for being overtly Jewish?

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Just how?

I think at best this inept policing at worst vile anti semitism.

I suppose it is now in the open that central London has become effectively a no go area for Jews given the potential for abuse from hate marchers.

Can't we just stop these marches so Jews can go about their business?

Where is Gideon Falter? Probably sat in his comfortable home planning his next attention seeking outing.

Hopefully at home self-reflecting a bit about how moral it is to waste police time and mislead the general public. But, not sure if he's the self-reflecting type unfortunately.

Calling a Jew a Nazi isn't just stupid and insulting, it's antisemitic.

There were plenty of people on MN who were rushing to use Nazi comparisons after October 7th but they were diligently reported and deleted, and people got the message that antisemitism of that form wasn't going to be accepted on here and generally packed it in.

After 6 months of marches, apparently the organisers or police haven't bothered to communicate acceptable behaviour to those on them and we're still seeing shit like that.

There was a video clip of a woman asking a police officer whether they were going to do anything about a swastika on the march and the police officer was saying that whether a swastika was offensive depended on the context. More training needed there.

What about fascist or racist? I agree that ‘Nazi’ is incorrect and refers to Hitler’s party. I would never call anyone Jewish a Nazi. I might call them a fascist if they were.

It's not about it being 'incorrect'. People deliberately call Jews Nazis because Nazis perpetrated the Holocaust where 6 million Jews were systematically murdered. It's an insult designed to be particularly hurtful to a Jewish person.

This.

Deliberately done.

Thank you. I see that.

Thank you. I see that.

Being against this genocide is not anti-semitic.

I'm suspicious of anyone referring to the current conflict as genocide and wonder whether they are covertly anti-Semitic. Genocides do not generally start the way this war did. Nor with the supposed aggressor bending over backwards for 18 years to avoid conflict.

Being anti-zionist does not equate to being anti-semitic.

This, OTOH, is an age old debate.

The first step to genocide is dehumanising people, which the Israeli government has been doing to the Palestinians for years.

Maybe you need to read up on history if you think Netanyahu has been bending over backwards to avoid conflict.

Well clearly it's non-observant Jews, secular Jews, invisible Jews and Jews who loudly condemn Israel who are deemed acceptable. Racist have always played that game.

Yep, these Jews really look secular, invisible and non-observant.

Did you miss the last category?

Does that mean it's ok to call Jews Nazis? I'm not convinced....

No it's not.
It's not OK to compare the UN to Nazis either.

I apologise if this is obvious to everyone- but Nazi “racial ideology” is a part of a belief that certain races are “superior” to others.
I don’t think Israeli Jews think they are racially superior to Palestinians but I do think they feel threatened and some Israelis are therefore demonising Palestinians. I also think some Palestinians are demonising Israelis. I don’t think either group are “Nazi” in the sense that I don’t think they believe in racial superiority.

No, comparing people or institutions to Nazis is stupid.

However when it is done to Jews, specifically, it is also antisemitic.

Were other people allowed to cross the road there or did they have to go the long way around?

basically, was the street closed to pedestrian traffic or not?

There is a big difference between a protestor shouting "Nazi" at someone on an opposing protest (which to be clear, they should not have done) and "the police are arresting visibly Jewish people if they go into central London" as suggested in the title of the thread.

TBH, those ultra orthodox antizionists (Neturai Karta) are not really representative of Jews and are not the sort of people most protestors would want to align with - very misogynistic and homophobic, note you never see women with them on protests because women shouldn't be seen being active in public life by their ideals. They are against Israel because they don't believe it should exist until the Messiah appears essentially, not starting from a point of morality although they will say Israel's wrongs are a result of it being ungodly in their eyes.

I oppose Israel's actions but I do want to point out not to set NK up as a positive examples of Jews

There are, as in the first pic, and like me, other examples of Jews who oppose Israel and aren't anachronistic extremists.

He wasn't at the opposing protest.

And I notice you say 'shouting Nazi' at 'someone' not specifically 'a Jew' which is what he did.

There was also the guy chanting scum at him, and the crowd shouting shame on you, and the guy who threatened to follow him.

I think the behaviour of the protestors is as worthy of comment as the behaviour of the police (which was probably fine in the circumstances).

Perhaps we should bear in mind that this person repeatedly lied in well publicised media appearances for several days before the police and Sky News gave us the complete picture, before we take all these other occurrences too seriously.

The videos are available online.

Also why shouldn't people shout "scum" or "shame on you" at each other? That sounds like normal behaviour at a protest.

Perhaps at the types of protest you apparently go to.

I'm suspicious of anyone referring to the current genocide as anything but.

On one hand you have an army bearing arms, with one of the most sophisticated defence systems on the planet.
And on the other, a defenceless civilian population mainly consisting of babies and children.

Anyone who disagrees with this being a genocide, which is exactly what it is, or collective punishment, is an anti-Palestinian, Islamophobic racist.

There is no other word more appropriate to describe what's going on right now other than a GENOCIDE.

Just because Jews were the victims of the Holocaust, doesn't meant they cannot be the aggressors committing a Holocaust. Which is what the Israeli government are doing now and having been doing for quite some time before a lot of us woke up.

And let me remind you, this did not start on October 7th. It started about 75 years ago when Palestinian's were forcibly removed from their own homes.