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Conflict in the Middle East

To say the London Palestinian marches should be stopped

525 replies

KarmaCaramello · 18/04/2024 08:26

They are weekly marches found to be organised by organisations with links to Hamas, and at least one ex Hamas member.

They are supporting a terrorist organisation that has just committed the deadliest day in Israel’s history. An Iranian dissident was arrested for holding a sign saying Hamas is Terrorist, despite the fact that they are a UK-designated terrorist organisation - because protestors assaulted him on seeing the sign.

If they were calling for peace and fewer casualties they would be condemning Hamas and calling for them to surrender.

AIBU to think this is deeply disturbing and has no place on the streets of London. Note - terrorist support is illegal and not protected speech.

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Dulra · 14/05/2024 09:00

Humdingerydoo · 14/05/2024 08:57

Can you also see the Palestinian flag? It's right there.

So? Solidarity between nations. Why are people picking apart this picture, it is so petty

Scirocco · 14/05/2024 09:00

onegrumpyoldwoman · 14/05/2024 08:47

No-one said it was anyone's fault.

It was a statement of fact.

Although it could be argued that by choosing a national Flag very similar to another country is just asking for confusion.

What flag would you suggest they use? That's Sudan's flag. Many countries in the region have flags which are similarly designed, as they are based on the Arab Liberation Flag. Many countries in other areas also have similarities between their flags but somehow people manage to tell them apart.

onegrumpyoldwoman · 14/05/2024 09:02

Dulra · 14/05/2024 08:59

FGS look at the flags of the world there are many many flags similar. Look at Ireland and Ivory coast they are practically the same. What a strange thing to get annoyed about

I'm not "annoyed" - where did that come from ? 🤔

I was making a statement of fact.

Humdingerydoo · 14/05/2024 09:02

Dulra · 14/05/2024 09:00

So? Solidarity between nations. Why are people picking apart this picture, it is so petty

As I have already mentioned, it was the mocking of someone thinking it was then Palestinian flag when the Palestinian flag is actually there. It's one of only five flags in the photo.

Scirocco · 14/05/2024 09:03

Dulra · 14/05/2024 09:00

So? Solidarity between nations. Why are people picking apart this picture, it is so petty

Because people have used the "but nobody cares about Sudan" line to dismiss people calling for an end to the killing of innocent people in Palestine. Any evidence that people might actually care about Sudan too must be challenged and minimised, otherwise people might have to question their own motivations for standing by while the killing continues.

Scirocco · 14/05/2024 09:06

And I've not seen any mocking of anyone for being mistaken over flags. There was a correction.

onegrumpyoldwoman · 14/05/2024 09:11

Scirocco · 14/05/2024 09:00

What flag would you suggest they use? That's Sudan's flag. Many countries in the region have flags which are similarly designed, as they are based on the Arab Liberation Flag. Many countries in other areas also have similarities between their flags but somehow people manage to tell them apart.

What flag would you suggest they use?

I'm not suggesting anything.

That's Sudan's flag. Many countries in the region have flags which are similarly designed, as they are based on the Arab Liberation Flag.

OK so they choose similar flags.

Many countries in other areas also have similarities between their flags

no argument about that

but somehow people manage to tell them apart.

So now you know all about what people think, really??

And if you can tell all these similar flags apart, then kudos to you. I had to look them up

Top 10 Most Similar Countries Flags In The World

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ShUrLHS_Xo

Humdingerydoo · 14/05/2024 09:14

Scirocco · 14/05/2024 09:03

Because people have used the "but nobody cares about Sudan" line to dismiss people calling for an end to the killing of innocent people in Palestine. Any evidence that people might actually care about Sudan too must be challenged and minimised, otherwise people might have to question their own motivations for standing by while the killing continues.

I'm glad there are, what, 100 people in London who care enough about Sudan to protest? Just wondering where all the other otherwise vocal protesters are. Surely you can see it's not quite the same?

Scirocco · 14/05/2024 09:16

@onegrumpyoldwoman apart from the Romania/Chad one (where the shade difference is difficult to tell on my screen, but I know the difference I'd be looking for), yes I can.

Scirocco · 14/05/2024 09:21

@Humdingerydoo there are going to be differences, of course. The two situations are very different. But people do care about Sudan, Ukraine and other countries as well as Palestine.

onegrumpyoldwoman · 14/05/2024 09:26

Scirocco · 14/05/2024 09:16

@onegrumpyoldwoman apart from the Romania/Chad one (where the shade difference is difficult to tell on my screen, but I know the difference I'd be looking for), yes I can.

Well, as I said, kudos to you.

I'm not really sure where Tajikistan or Moldova actually are and I didn't know that Greenland even had a flag.

But hey, everyday's a school day, as they say....

Dulra · 14/05/2024 09:35

onegrumpyoldwoman · 14/05/2024 09:02

I'm not "annoyed" - where did that come from ? 🤔

I was making a statement of fact.

Although it could be argued that by choosing a national Flag very similar to another country is just asking for confusion.

That's an opinion.

I was pointing out that there are numerous countries with very similar flags. I find it weird you have never noticed

Dulra · 14/05/2024 09:37

Humdingerydoo · 14/05/2024 09:02

As I have already mentioned, it was the mocking of someone thinking it was then Palestinian flag when the Palestinian flag is actually there. It's one of only five flags in the photo.

Don't think anyone was mocking them. As they say in the playground she started it ..

onegrumpyoldwoman · 14/05/2024 09:39

Dulra · 14/05/2024 09:35

Although it could be argued that by choosing a national Flag very similar to another country is just asking for confusion.

That's an opinion.

I was pointing out that there are numerous countries with very similar flags. I find it weird you have never noticed

I was pointing out that there are numerous countries with very similar flags.

I'm not arguing with you.

I find it weird you have never noticed

???

I actually posted about it earlier on the thread, with pictorial examples.

ScrollingLeaves · 14/05/2024 11:19

EllaDisenchanted · 14/05/2024 05:42

Would assume they are referencing the time historically at some point after king shlomo ruled, when there was infighting and the kingdom split into two kingdoms, Yehuda (aka Judea, source of why Jews are called Jews or Yehuda) and Yisrael (Israel). One in the north and one in the south.this was pre destruction of the first temple, and pre first (Babylonian) exile. I’m not 100% sure but I think the whole country was a much bigger area back then. The two separate kingdoms reunited post exile.

I haven’t read the article but I think the fierce debate over the government that’s been going on so long is being referenced?

Thank you very much for answering, that is interesting.

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 14/05/2024 12:50

Yes - stop these marches already.

Good points in here. I have provided most of the article since it is behind a paywall.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/14/right-to-protest-ban-palestine-march-london-extremism/

"The right to protest shouldn’t trump the rights of the rest of usEmpowering extremist marchers only weakens the rest of us. Such coercion is corrosive to British democracy"

"I am glad the word “coercion” is in the report’s title. That is what the public hate. Few want protests banned: they accept demonstrations as part of free speech. But many feel that the recent extremist protests – often large, repeated and borderline violent – have an intentionally coercive effect.
The most significant example is the Gaza marches, which have been pretty much weekly in London since October, and the related campus protests. To understand how threatening they are, one must recall why they happened.
Their organisers say they are inspired by the “genocide” committed by Israel against Gaza. But the protesters never express disapproval of the almost uniquely vile event which drove Israel to attack Gaza – the Hamas October 7 massacres of 1,200 mainly unarmed, mainly Jewish people and the taking of more than 200 hostages, many still held and exploited as bargaining chips.
If you are Jewish, and you see thousands of fellow British citizens filling the streets, many shouting their hatred of you and none expressing sympathy, you must feel scared. Here are thousands who do not mind your kin being murdered. Some even rejoice. That is a horrible thing to experience in a free country. It should not be an automatic right to stage such protests.
Fear among Jews only grows when the Metropolitan Police seem to regard their desire to demonstrate against the protests as more objectionable than the protests themselves. The marchers coerce the police: the police coerce the Jews. The wider public feels coerced, too – driven off the streets which belong, collectively, to us. These streets are turned into a weekly stage-set for a cause which, though important, directly involves few British people.
Even the highest public authorities feel coerced. If protest makes it difficult, occasionally dangerous, for legislators, ministers, constituents, and officials to move in and out of Parliament, that suggests the protests have the power to affect what goes on there. This turns out to be true – hence Mr Speaker Hoyle’s breaking of parliamentary convention about which vote to take in Parliament. He said he acted to protect the security of Labour MPs who were being threatened on social media.
Lord Walney’s report will show that the Gaza protests are not an elongated “one-off”, but part of a series of actions by extreme-Left groupings whose hatred of “Zionism” is also embraced by Black Lives Matter, Extinction Rebellion and more. The name of the Kill the Bill movement, which protested violently against the Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill, could be understood to convey a sinister ambiguity, since “the Bill” could mean not only the legislation but also the police.
Lord Walney wants to ensure that government and law-enforcement agencies understand these ideological links better. They have got the measure of largely stupid, disorganised Right-wing thuggery. Against the more sophisticated, multifarious threat of the extreme Left, they are much weaker.
This loose extreme-Left alliance sharing protest skills against the common good in the name of human rights is noxious in a free country. To use a Cold-War word which should be re-employed by the intelligence services, it is subversive.
Another highly relevant question is, who pays for such protests? At least two types of unacceptable costs are involved. One is the cost of the policing itself. There should not be an open-ended right to have free police for every demonstration. A chief constable should be able to forbid the repetition of a march if it costs too much. Another is the damage done to ordinary people and businesses by disruptive activities – the shops that cannot trade, the defence manufacturers, energy suppliers or meat companies picketed, the motorists who cannot travel, the delivery lorries which cannot get through the blocked M25. Surely march organisers should be liable for these costs. Lord Walney certainly thinks so.
Almost by definition, a protest march tries to expand its power beyond its numbers. If we invariably let it happen on demand, we empower it. The rest of us are weakened.
"

The right to protest shouldn’t trump the rights of the rest of us

Empowering extremist marchers only weakens the rest of us. Such coercion is corrosive to British democracy

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/14/right-to-protest-ban-palestine-march-london-extremism

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 27/05/2024 18:32

You posting this inflammatory link shows why the marches should be stopped

Scirocco · 27/05/2024 18:34

@anotherlevel I can't get the link to work, sorry

DownNative · 27/05/2024 18:46

trippily · 18/04/2024 08:59

Did you see the video of Israeli troops burying people alive with a bulldozer

Is there a link to that?

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 27/05/2024 19:18

DownNative · 27/05/2024 18:46

Is there a link to that?

@trippily . No idea if this is the one you’re talking about.
December 2023
It’s being investigated by the European Human Rights Monitor
I can’t do a link I’m afraid just screen shots.

To say the London Palestinian marches should be stopped
To say the London Palestinian marches should be stopped
To say the London Palestinian marches should be stopped
DownNative · 27/05/2024 19:23

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 27/05/2024 19:18

@trippily . No idea if this is the one you’re talking about.
December 2023
It’s being investigated by the European Human Rights Monitor
I can’t do a link I’m afraid just screen shots.

No, that's a report and not a video.

@trippily will have to supply the link to the video they claim to have watched. And not screenshots of an article, report, etc.🧐

anotherlevel · 27/05/2024 19:24

Scirocco · 27/05/2024 18:34

@anotherlevel I can't get the link to work, sorry

It was a live video of the protest today but I think it must have ended by the time you clicked on it x

coralpinkduckegg · 27/05/2024 19:26

@DownNative

You just have to google "IDF burying patients alive" and it will take you to several links of reports from various news organisations.

DownNative · 27/05/2024 19:29

coralpinkduckegg · 27/05/2024 19:26

@DownNative

You just have to google "IDF burying patients alive" and it will take you to several links of reports from various news organisations.

Again, @trippily referred to the actual footage.

Not news reports.

There is a reason for asking them to provide the link they claimed to watch. Let them do so.🤦‍♂️

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