Is Israel on its way to being a "Failed State?"

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Netanyahu is destroying Gaza.

The IDF is committing war crimes.
Netanyahu's government has angered, pissed off and disappointed Israeli citizens.
They have disappointed, pissed off and angered Israel's allies.
They are pissing off neighbour states.
The Israeli government and the IDF have created a broken nation of traumatised people.

Right next door.

I fear that Israel will become a failed state.

One of the reasons the Nazis murdered Jews was because they said we weren't aryan - white, blond haired, blue eyed. Some aryan looking (i.e. white passing) Jews managed to survive as they could disguise themselves.

The US and others will continue to support Israel because failing to do so will lead to its non existence.

or an are not going to stop supplying arms to Hezbollah or Hamas so there is a good question to why should we stop supplying Israel.

Israel is here to stay....

If Israel were on its way to become a failed state then someone would remove its nuclear weapons. No one has done that because Israel is generally regarded as a stable power in this regard. On the other hand Iran.....

Should people be more honest about their anti semitism by openly stating Israel has no right to exist?

The US and UK support Israel because they think it benefits them.

But, support can’t be unconditional, because the way that Israel is behaving may have ramifications for those that support it.

International law was created to make the world a safer place, by recklessly shitting all over this Israel is setting a poor example and making everyone less safe.

Providing unconditional support is in nobody’s long term interests.

They are MY COUNTRIES. Not theirs.

Iraq is my country. It is in my country that Yazidi women are force fed contraceptives, and where thousands of them are missing after being taken as ISIS sex slaves, or where 19 of them were burned alive as hundreds of people watched for the crime of refusing to convert to Islam.

Yazidis, native to Iraq for thousands of years have faced 72 genocides. Seventy two. And as Kurds, most of them look "white". I assume them standing up to their oppressors and saying such oppression is barbaric and wrong, is therefore in your book also "white supremacy"? I suppose if they were to say "actually we are indigenous to this place and we want out own independent country" that you'd call them "white supremacist zionists"? Or probably not, because you'd see how mental that would be huh.

All of that said, it actually doesn't matter what my heritage is. Any person - regardless of their nationality or racial heritage is allowed, actually should be encouraged, to express a preference for democracy over theocracy and for freedom over oppression.

Whilst you probably believe yourself to be an "anti-racist", defending oppressive regimes isn't anti-racist. Those regimes are extremely racist. They engage in slavery, murder, and horrific marginalisation of minorities. Google what's going on in Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Yemen.

Your attitude implies that you have a complete disregard for the human rights of others if those depriving them of them of those rights are brown enough for it to be "cultural". I am quite sure if someone marched into Leicester square and burned some girls for not converting to Islam, or took away their house because they were not Christian, you'd be horrified and would see that as "backwards", violent, horrific and wrong.

But that's what happens in places where people do not have a right to life, religious freedom or equality. It is what happens to them every day. So, please, spare me your virtue. Oh my Gawd. Running around calling Mizrahi Jews "white supremacist zionists" is just...groan. As @Sussurations says I bet my bottom dollar 100 years ago you'd have been saying quite the opposite.

I've made the mistake in the past of finding views like mcouts laughably ignorant, with experience I've realised how deadly serious they actually are.

@LemonyTicket thank you for taking the time and energy, your posts resonate with me and many others.

The irony of all of that given you defend what’s going on in Gaza. As I said, I am done with you now we can agree to disagree.

I am a convert to Judaism. I am also POC..converting to judaism didn't change my race or my looks or indeed how people treat me..I am a progressive jew so I don't dress very differently from the general population (though overall more Conservative cos I see my orthodox MIL a lot). However even if I was orthodox, many of the modern orthodox women don't wear wigs these days and their clothes look like normal office wear so I suspect no one would know I was Jewish and its the same for most converts given most of us are female. And any POC convert would be treated like a POC who hasnt converted by the world.Anyone can convert to judaism so technically anyone with the wish and drive to can become Jewish.. so

In contrast my dh who was born Jewish but a child of a convert absolutely gets treated differently even as a white person. His mum gave all her children typically israeli names.

@quantumbutterfly I echo that sentiment.

The Klu Klux clan, as evil and disgusting as they were, didn't quite pull off exterminating 6 million Black people.
The KKK didn't but the slave trade caused the estimated death of 30 to 60 million Africans died while being enslaved: a 50% mortality rate among new slaves while waiting to be shipped in Africa, a 10% mortality among the survivors while crossing the ocean, and another 50% mortality rate in the first "seasoning" phase of slave labour. Half of the children born enslaved died in the first year of their life.

Do you not think is is precarious for one country to be as dependent on another as Israel is on the USA? I do. Especially in the long term.

It doesn't mean I think that Israel has no right to exist. Nor does it make me antisemitic.

All countries depend on each other in this global economy.

I don't think the poster meant the economy more militarily and for security.

In the context of a failing state?

I'm only commenting on what I think the poster meant, if you scroll back to the conversation they were having they were talking about arms supplies

Is Israel dependant on established,global ties or on the US for its existence? If the USA withdraws its support, can Israel survive?

Every country is dependent on established global ties. America is co-dependent on Israel.

Yes it will be will be a very different type of Israel.

Like it or not but Israel is at the forefront of missile defence, cyber, advanced tanks. If support is withdrawn by the US then Israel may have to get in bed with those less desirable (Russia? China?) and they would be forced to get into bed with them to survive.

Sanctions would be more easily applied and would probably result in arms being less easily obtained but they would result in the iron dome being compromised and that would not be good news for Gaza. If Israel couldn't prevent 90% of missiles landing and hitting their target then why hold back?

Just a couple of thoughts...

In what way is it "co-dependent" @quantumbutterfly?

Right so Israel has no morals and will get in to bed with anyone if the price is right, got it 👌
Would love to see the walk of shame after Russia

@TooBigForMyBoots if the US ends partnership with Israel then they run the risk of tech, weapons and research falling into the hands of adversarial nations.

@Dulra it's just an opinion. An option. I am just suggesting they may pivot away from the west and build relationships with countries less bothered about Israel's domestic politics going far right

@Dulra I wasn't aware actually how close Israel and Russia were. More strained now though.
The UK press didn't appear to bring it to the public's attention whilst bashing other nations for not severing ties after the Ukraine invasion

"Unlike other Western states, Israel did not fundamentally change its approach to Russia following the Kremlin’s invasion of Ukraine. Israel did not impose any financial sanctions on Russia, declined to send weapons to Kyiv despite repeated requests from Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, and failed to name Russia when addressing attacks against Ukraine. Israel was unwilling to sever ties with Russia, and even started to adopt a cooperative approach in the second half of 2023 by signing new bilateral agreements in nonsensitive sectors, such as the cultural field.
Israel became one of few U.S. allies willing to engage diplomatically and economically with Russia, which helped limit Moscow’s international isolation. Israel became the largest importer of Russian vodka following the imposition of Western sanctions; Russian firms such as Yandex expanded their operations in Tel Aviv; and sanctioned Russian individuals benefited from newly acquired Israeli documents to travel visa-free to Europe."

Israel and Russia: The End of a Friendship? - Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

Security, intelligence, being a friendly nation in the Middle East, research, technology. They're strategically vital for the US to protect its interests and political/diplomatic activities in the region, bearing in mind proximity to Turkiye, Cyprus, Syria, Egypt and the Red Sea/Gulf of Aden (anything happens to Suez and that's an awfully long boat trip to get anything on the Eastern side from the Mediterranean) Diamonds are pretty important in technical applications as well, which is (I think) Israel's most significant export, the specialist cutting and polishing, rather than the mining of.

@Silence1 so Israel supported a military attack and occupation of Ukraine undermining Ukraine's right to exist!!

boo, hiss etc etc

That is dependency rather than co-dependency.

The USA is an ocean and several time zones away from Israel and its continent. It could switch its financial aid to any country in the region and what's to stop it? It could adopt an isolationist approach and cut aid to Israel. The US electorate could vote against aid. Or they have to fork out to rebuild after natural disasters.

That looks like dependency, not co-dependency.