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Gunnersforthecup · 12/03/2024 10:02

The hostages being sent back to Israel might help. Those of them that are still alive.

Another question is, how can Israel be reassured that October 7th won't be happening again? As this was the immediate trigger for what appears to be a war.

There needs to be another decent arrangement for governance of Gaza that does not involve Hamas, given their behaviour, but I have no idea how that could happen.

It is a great shame as there were peace initiatives in prospect last year, which Hamas appear to have deliberately derailed by setting all this in motion.

areyoutheregod · 12/03/2024 10:03

is truly awful, I hate thinking about children starving and suffering like this for months on end. beyond cruel.

pickledandpuzzled · 12/03/2024 10:04

It is tragic.
Untold lives ruined for generations. I blame everyone who resisted previous attempts at peaceful resolution.

WhenIsaywhoaimeanwhoa · 12/03/2024 10:04

Gunnersforthecup · 12/03/2024 10:02

The hostages being sent back to Israel might help. Those of them that are still alive.

Another question is, how can Israel be reassured that October 7th won't be happening again? As this was the immediate trigger for what appears to be a war.

There needs to be another decent arrangement for governance of Gaza that does not involve Hamas, given their behaviour, but I have no idea how that could happen.

It is a great shame as there were peace initiatives in prospect last year, which Hamas appear to have deliberately derailed by setting all this in motion.

Jog on… children don’t deserve what this legitimate government is doing to them.

Pls stop with your ‘yeah buts’

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Manyandyoucanwalkover · 12/03/2024 10:05

The way human beings behave is appalling and things never change. We’ve always had wars and lessons are never learned. Yes utterly heartbreaking. 💔

Gunnersforthecup · 12/03/2024 10:21

No yeah buts.

Those children do not deserve what Hamas deliberately set up for them.

ssd · 12/03/2024 10:23

Gunnersforthecup · 12/03/2024 10:21

No yeah buts.

Those children do not deserve what Hamas deliberately set up for them.

So israel takes no responsibility for murdering over 30,000 people?

WhenIsaywhoaimeanwhoa · 12/03/2024 10:23

Gunnersforthecup · 12/03/2024 10:21

No yeah buts.

Those children do not deserve what Hamas deliberately set up for them.

No words for people with such delusional mindsets.

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WhenIsaywhoaimeanwhoa · 12/03/2024 10:29

ssd · 12/03/2024 10:23

So israel takes no responsibility for murdering over 30,000 people?

not forgetting the mass starvation faced by the remaining people while they purposefully block the aid from entering.

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Lookatmeivechangedmyname · 12/03/2024 10:38

Hamas have really done a good job on the propaganda. They've made large swathes of the west antisemitic despite everyone swearing blind "never again".

Lookatmeivechangedmyname · 12/03/2024 10:38

Gunnersforthecup · 12/03/2024 10:21

No yeah buts.

Those children do not deserve what Hamas deliberately set up for them.

This. Hamas has done this to its own people.

WhenIsaywhoaimeanwhoa · 12/03/2024 10:39

Lookatmeivechangedmyname · 12/03/2024 10:38

Hamas have really done a good job on the propaganda. They've made large swathes of the west antisemitic despite everyone swearing blind "never again".

UN = propaganda spreaders.

Righty ho.

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WhenIsaywhoaimeanwhoa · 12/03/2024 10:44

in the meantime, the Israeli government is justified in slaughtering thousands and thousands of children.

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WhenIsaywhoaimeanwhoa · 12/03/2024 10:45

anyone who tries to justify this is a complete disgrace

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Lookatmeivechangedmyname · 12/03/2024 10:46

Hamas could stop this. The only people who are causing this war to continue are Hamas. Hamas does not care about Palestinian women and children.

Gunnersforthecup · 12/03/2024 10:46

WhenIsaywhoaimeanwhoa · 12/03/2024 09:46

Just heartbroken watching this. When will their suffering cease?

Hamas should take responsibility

  • for the terrible events of October 7th, particularly targeted at women
  • for deliberately derailing attempts at peace in the Middle East
  • for trying to undermine Israel as a state
  • for deliberately starting what was always going to be a very terrible war with Israel.
  • and also for hiding behind hospital, schools, women and children
  • having taken a large number of hostages (and treated at least some of them very badly)

Hamas has governance over Gaza, so its actions carry a strong political weight

Once Hamas set events in motion, Israel was inevitably drawn in.

That seems to be what happened - that isn't in dispute is it?

If you think that all war is murder, regardless of the rights and wrongs, then I guess what is happening could be called murder.

But if you think that a state has a right to try and prevent further incursions against its citisens to kidnap, rape, torture and murder, then it gets more complicated. There are definitely 2 sides to this.

I'm not Israeli myself, but I think Hamas bears a huge responsibility for what is happening and it doesn't help anyone to pretend otherwise.

Lookatmeivechangedmyname · 12/03/2024 10:47

WhenIsaywhoaimeanwhoa · 12/03/2024 10:45

anyone who tries to justify this is a complete disgrace

If France hopped over, stole a number of babies at gunpoint from the UK and took hostile action to not return them, what would you expect the UK to do?

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WhenIsaywhoaimeanwhoa · 12/03/2024 10:50

Lookatmeivechangedmyname · 12/03/2024 10:47

If France hopped over, stole a number of babies at gunpoint from the UK and took hostile action to not return them, what would you expect the UK to do?

obviously kill thousands and thousands of innocent French children.

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Lookatmeivechangedmyname · 12/03/2024 10:51

WhenIsaywhoaimeanwhoa · 12/03/2024 10:50

obviously kill thousands and thousands of innocent French children.

You don't think state sanctioned abduction and violence should come with consequences then?

WhenIsaywhoaimeanwhoa · 12/03/2024 10:54

Lookatmeivechangedmyname · 12/03/2024 10:51

You don't think state sanctioned abduction and violence should come with consequences then?

yes, they should starve and kill and ethnically cleanse the French population in that case

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Lookatmeivechangedmyname · 12/03/2024 10:56

WhenIsaywhoaimeanwhoa · 12/03/2024 10:54

yes, they should starve and kill and ethnically cleanse the French population in that case

The old ethnic cleansing line. Tell me how, if genocide and ethnic cleansing is taking place, the population of Gaza has increased?

WhenIsaywhoaimeanwhoa · 12/03/2024 10:59

Lookatmeivechangedmyname · 12/03/2024 10:56

The old ethnic cleansing line. Tell me how, if genocide and ethnic cleansing is taking place, the population of Gaza has increased?

not only starving them but strategically cutting off their water supply too….

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