Heartbreaking 😢

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Just heartbroken watching this. When will their suffering cease?

It's bonkers isn't it!

But you will confidently make claims like 'relations were better than ever' and 'Hamas can stop it if they want to'? Nobody is looking to you to have all of the answers but I do expect you to be able to back up your opinions with some kind of fact.

I would agree that Hamas need to go and hostages need to be released. I disagree vehemently that that would 'stop' the decades of cruel treatment that Palestinians have endured and that it will end tensions between the two.

Yes that is what Israel claim alright. It doesn't make it true though. My government certainly don't agree with Israels claim, I think I trust my government more that Israels 👍

Which government is that?

I'm curious too because I don't see much trust for government where I've been on mn.

Ireland

That's what I thought.

A 2 state solution (which is what Ireland wants) will never work while Hamas exist.

Despite the 2005 Israeli disengagement from Gaza,[17] the United Nations, international human rights organisations, and the majority of governments and legal commentators consider the territory to be still occupied by Israel, supported by additional restrictions placed on Gaza by Egypt.[88][89][90][91] Israel maintains direct external control over Gaza and indirect control over life within Gaza: it controls Gaza's air and maritime space, as well as six of Gaza's seven land crossings. It reserves the right to enter Gaza at will with its military and maintains a no-go buffer zone within the Gaza territory. Gaza is dependent on Israel for water, electricity, telecommunications, and other utilities.[17] The extensive Israeli buffer zone within the Strip renders much land off-limits to Gaza's inhabitants.[92] The system of control imposed by Israel was described in the fall 2012 edition of International Security as an "indirect occupation".[93] The European Union (EU) considers Gaza to be occupied.[94]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip

Hell of a lot of countries which has been pointed out many times on these threads before. We all know Israelis opinion of Ireland so it needs to be pointed out that they are not the only country

Palestine people and kids dying is horrific
Dying?* *They are being bombed and shot to death, maimed, displaced and starved by the IDF. You make it sound like they're just dying of their own accord without any part to play in that by Israel. That is what I find bizarre. At least we can agree it is horrific

Hamas have a huge part to play in this and can stop it if they want
Yes Hamas need to release the hostages but that won't make it stop. Netanyahu and his government have been clear on that.

You make it sound like they're just dying of their own accord without any part to play in that by Israel

well that’s ridiculous. This site seems to have a tendency to pick apart exact language and then argue about it. Saying they’re ‘dying’ does not equate to saying ‘they’re dying of their own accord.’

I already said that I agree Hamas need to go a few posts ago. I don't think anyone is advocating for Hamas to stay in power, Ireland certainly isn't.

I think it is very important to point out the IDF and Israeli governments hand in their deaths and think it was intentional to leave that out which is why I posted what I did. You are entitled to think it's ridiculous but I think it is imperative to not allow people to erase their role in the death of thousands of innocent children

Did 1000 people die on 7-10 or were they killed in your opinion?

Both. Stop trying to tie knots in language to prove a point that doesn’t exist

Be very wary of Hamas propaganda. Yes it’s terrible what is happening but then so is a whole shit tonne of other stuff in the world and here in the UK.

Acts of war unsurprisingly tend to result in war, as Hamas have now found out much to the detriment of their largely innocent population (who incidentally voted for Hamas by quite a majority).

Women and children are the collateral damage which was always to be the case in any conflict with Israel. This is a fundamentally impossible stalemate because neither side will accept the others right to exist.

The fallout from the terrorist atrocity Hamas committed last year will be far reaching for years to come.

be aware of the Hamas and Israel propaganda. And here is an example of Israel propaganda

It's not about tying knots in language it is about being accurate with the facts. Language is extremely important in these situations, as well you know because you're being selective with yours

I really wasn’t. But sure if it makes you feel superior and like you’ve made a point.

Hamas didn't exist until 1987.

The Israeli government do not and never have wanted a two state solution. It's only now that they are being honest about it.

I've looked into the attempts at negotiating peace and it seems to me that every time the Palestinians made concessions the Israelis began to worry that they might actually have to honour two states so they demanded more concessions. When the Palestinians eventually say no, Israel walks away and claims they have no partner for peace. They are doing exactly the same now with a ceasefire.

There has never been a proposal which would have resulted in a completely independent, sovereign Palestinian state. Even Yitzhak Rabin admitted this, before he was assassinated by his own side for actually trying to find a peaceful resolution.

The way to end it to release the hostages. I doubt Sinwar and his cronies are going hungry.

You're very fond of the personal insults we're bizarre, ridiculous, tying ourselves in knots and now I'm trying to make myself feel superior. Thankfully I have been able to express my views without resorting to personal insults

It’s certainly not a personal insult. It’s a response to your twisting of my words and not letting it go even when I have explained I didn’t mean that. I can’t imagine why else you’d be so dogged?

The way to end it to release the hostages
Why don't you read the thread this has already been covered....
I doubt Sinwar and his cronies are going hungry so why isn't Israel trying to locate them and take them out? Instead of starving innocent civilians and children