Israeli Eurovision: how low can you go?

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Israeli entry in Eurovision song contest is likely to be a song called 'October Rain' sung by trans-identifying 'Eden 'Golan'.

My previous thread was deleted for pointing this out.

I didn't say anything about EBU not being political. I'm saying not banning Israel was the right decision and that Israel's actions can't be compared to those of Russia. On top of that, Israeli broadcasters haven't broken any EBU rules so there's really no reason to ban them. But you go ahead with your bullish attitude and keep telling me what I actually think and said. You enjoy that.

Does anyone actually know what was said by the Israeli commentators that was incitement to violence? I can't find any evidence of it anywhere, just them mocking the whole goth and satanic vibe of it all, which I'm sure other commentators did too. So there must be other comments that haven't been as widely reported? I can't find them anywhere, not counting that fake translation one that was posted on here a few days ago

I found this

https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2024/0511/1448614-bambie-thug-angry-at-israeli-eurovision-commentary/

Yes, this is what I've seen, so no incitement to violence? They must have said something else, as otherwise surely people would be calling Bambie Thug out as a liar. As no one is calling them out on anything, there must be more to it.

“You enjoy that.” ?…

Yes, you keep enjoying your bullish ways. Or were my words once again not to your satisfaction? Must remind myself to do better in the future and only choose words approved by you.

So, you agree the EBU is political and you are in agreement with their political decision.

I am not telling you what you think, I am trying to interpret your words and your reasoning for ever responding to my original post as though my post was wrong in pointing out that Russia was banned from Eurovision for political reasons.

It is most odd that you feel entitled to tell me what I do and do not enjoy in a lecturing and bullish way, yet object to my posts. The pot should not call the kettle black.

I mean, not banning Israel wasn't a political decision. It was the only decision they could make based on their own rules in order to be apolitical. Banning Israel would have been political.

Russia invaded Ukraine unprovoked. Ukraine went to the EBU and said they should ban Russia for various reasons, one being that Russia have consistently broken EBU rules by being a propaganda channel for the Russian state. EBU originally decided not to ban Russia in order not to be political but then 24 hours later, after pressure from other EBU members, decided to ban them after all. So you're right, original decision was based on politics, which still doesn't make my original reply to you a lie which is what you have been saying and I have been disputing. You also said that I was being purposely deceptive. These are the main points of contention I have with your posts, your personal accusations against me. But hopefully you'll stop that now.

And by the way, I personally think Russia should have been banned many years earlier as their broadcaster has been a propaganda tool for the Russian government at least my whole life.

But, @Humdingerydoo, it was a lie by omission. If it was not a deliberate omission, but a mistake on your part not to mention that fact, and thus give the impression that my post was wrong, I am surprised it has taken you so long to admit it. That is the point I have been making.

I disagree not banning Israel was not political - the inconsistency without simultaneously apologising for using political reasons to ban Russia in 2022 makes it political. You cannot switch politics on and off as it suits you, as that just reveals your true politics, not your lack thereof.

Has the EBU ever apologised for making a political decision with respect to Russia in 2022?

Respect to you for your patience@Humdingerydoo .To see Russian apologism on here now is very dispiriting. I would walk away!

Not Russian apologism - I agree Russia should have been banned. I just don’t pretend that Eurovision is apolitical and I don’t pretend that Israel’s behaviour on the world stage at this moment in time is morally acceptable. Enough apologism for all countries which do not currently deserve it.

No, it wasn't a lie by omission as that would imply it was omitted on purpose in order to affect people's opinions. Please just stop making accusations against me.

Your issue is clearly that Russia is banned so go and write a letter to EBU asking them to let them back in. With regards to Israel, EBU stuck to their own rules. Russia is the anomaly. So ask them to rectify it. Although as mentioned earlier, Russia should really have been banned years ago for breaking EBU rules, regardless of current politics.

I have no idea if they ever apologised. I'm not planning on doing your research for you, so feel free to do it yourself.

People sure like to take words and twist them into an unrecognisable shape!

So why did you quote my post and say what you did, @Humdingerydoo? Because it came across as a correction of something you now acknowledge was not incorrect?

You can’t take politics out of a decision by Eurovision not to ban a country. If only it was solely based on whether there were significant concerns about a country committing war crimes.

To some people it doesn’t matter what you say, all that matters is that they make it appear to others that you said something that fits their narrative.

They are pushing a narrative.

Because you were trying to equate Russia and Israel, which is an inaccurate comparison and one that I'm fed up with seeing. I'm sorry you were so upset about feeling like I'd tried to correct you. It must have been very difficult for you.

But at least you have @PeasfullPerson here to stand up for you now and fight your corner for you. So that's nice. You can combine forces and keep trying to convince people that Russia being banned against EBU rules (as it was originally a political decision) should mean that they should go against their own rules again now and ban Israel. As we all know, two wrongs make a right so that'd be just super 👍🏻

And to clarify, Russia remain banned because of their contravening EBU rules. That's why they're currently banned. It's also why Azerbaijan aren't banned because they aren't breaking EBU rules. Same with Israel. Same with Morocco, although they choose not to participate in Eurovision.

@Humdingerydoo - are you telling me what I was trying to do? How incredibly hypocritical of you.

This happens so many times.

You can’t have a reasoned discussion with someone who no matter what you say will shoe horn you into their narrative.

So, catching up on here after a busy day:

Spanish televoters voted for Israel because someone on Twitter told them to.
UK televoters voted for Israel because Tommy Robinson told them to.
All televotes for Israel were either bots, nefarious Zionists or people with money to burn on gaming the system by voting in a music contest no-one really cares about. Except the televoters in Ireland, which is a musical nation with impeccable taste, so they were happy to genuinely award 10 points to Israel. No hard feelings whatsoever about Israel pushing Ireland out of the top 5.

Bambie Thug (aged 31) has hurty feelings because an Israeli TV commentator joked about their performance but Graham Norton joking that parents might want their children to skip Bambie Thug's act was ok so only Israel should be banned from Eurovision. Stay tuned for more trembly lipped fake weeping from Bambie Thug on this subject.

Finland were the real winners that night.

Russia is still banned from Eurovision.

Did I miss anything?

I think this Daily Mail comment piece puts some things rather splendidly.

You don't like the Daily Mail? Just scroll past...

Outtakes from the piece:

"How shameful that these people stood with Hamas, rather than the Jews murdered, raped and kidnapped by the terror group at another music festival on October"

"Then something remarkable happened. In the public vote, Israel was the overwhelming choice. An extraordinary 323 points – including a maximum 12 from the UK – propelled Ms Golan in to fifth place.

Eurovision is hardly a scientific poll but it does give an intriguing snapshot of public opinion. It's clear the protesters running amok in London and our universities do not represent the silent majority.

Unlike the sanctimonious demonstrators and the woke establishment that panders to them, ordinary people believe Israel is right to defend itself against a deadly enemy. Nor do they like anti-Semitism, bullying or the glorification of terrorism.

That's why people voted in their droves for Ms Golan (who is a good singer, too).
It would be gratifying if certain politicians took note. They should stop equivocating over their support for Israel – and start taking firmer action against Hamas apologists staining our streets with racism."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-13410419/DAILY-MAIL-COMMENT-Silent-majority-song-Israel.html

Edited for typos.

Great summary, though worth adding that everyone rightfully very sad that the lovely Russians are banned & refer you back to the endless threads on this terrible injustice at the time.

I think the whole Bambi Thug complaint is because they felt the Israeli negative commentary went too far and against the ‘rules’ as it could affect the vote against them, the article posted here gave a run down of what was said.

Thats up to Eurovision to decide now if the comments went too far.

Graham Norton I recall also commented something about not letting the kids watch ( something like that ) but he didn’t go any further and I’m not aware of an investigation on the comment.

I’ve just read this article on another thread regarding the voting. It’s worth a read I think….by Prof. Cunningham at the Technological University Dublin.
(screen shots from original posting on other thread)

Yes, you missed the fact Israel’s participation brought Eurovision into disrepute.

No, Bambie Thug has repeatedly accused the Israeli commentators of inciting violence against them three times. So not about the negativity. Unless, of course, they're lying? Or there were other comments made that just haven't made it to any of the media?