Israeli Eurovision: how low can you go?

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Israeli entry in Eurovision song contest is likely to be a song called 'October Rain' sung by trans-identifying 'Eden 'Golan'.

My previous thread was deleted for pointing this out.

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1789717054926254263

At least one member of the Eurovision jury has acknowledged not voting for Israel purely because of politics, despite being explicitly told that wasn't allowed. So hopefully Norway will receive a hefty fine for this from EBU.

The bullying was NOT done in the name of the people of Ireland or the Irish government. It was an individual.
Likewise Eden Golan is NOT responsible for the actions of her country or government. She has not killed 35,000+ people in Gaza. We don't know her views on Israeli actions in Gaza. I'm going to assume that she is horrified by what's happening. I will believe the very best of people until I am proven wrong rather assume the worst of people.

I thought you said you had nothing further to say to me?

Anyhow , re "Eden got the second highest public votes which tell us everything about the Pro-Israeli sentiment."

I absolutely meant of course that this vote indicates that it is recognised that Israel has a right to exist and take part in a singing competition and that the anti-Israel protests are only being listened to Pro-Palestinians and Leftie useful "idiots" (Rishi Sunak quote below) who will soon figure out that these people that they support have an evil agenda (in my opinion).

Nothing to do with IDF operations in Gaza.

https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/rishi-sunak-were-seeing-how-anti-zionism-all-too-often-morphs-into-antisemitism/

Thank you for highlighting these to make it clear that the contestants should not have broken the rules.

I'm sure many were. I'm Irish and voted for Israel as part of the UK public vote.

Thought Bambie Thug was up herself.

Yes - I agree . It was bullying of an individual by other individuals in a rather silly singing contest using the conflict in Gaza as a justification.
I suspect many Irish voters wanted to show that Bambi Thug does not represent Irish people as a whole and that might have influenced their voting.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

@LordPercyPercy 😂

And here's a screenshot regarding Joost from the Swedish public service news broadcaster. I've Google translated it. So hopefully people will get off that "Joostice" bandwagon soon.

It really shows how easily influenced people are by what they see on social media though - someone threatens another person and within minutes the public has decided he's innocent?! A lot of the people calling for "Joostice" hadn't even heard of him until that point, but still decided he was definitely the victim here. I'm assuming it's to do with them originally thinking he'd threatened an Israeli and that it was therefore presumably justified, and they are now struggling to back down as then they'd be outed as being prejudice against Israelis. We all saw the rumours (including on this thread) so please don't bother denying there isn't any truth to what I'm saying ☺️

I feel really sorry for the woman involved who might be in genuine danger if her name is ever leaked.

What 'people they support'? Are you saying the Palestinian people have an 'evil agenda'?

And as for being 'anti Israel' are you saying that anyone who objects to the killing of thousands of children is 'anti Israel'? Should we all be cheering them along?
Honestly, I despair, do people just not get that you can just be anti killing people whether those people are being killed by Hamas or IDF.

No I am saying that some of the protestors have an evil agenda - eg death threats to an innocent singer. That is an evil agenda. Plus those protestors calling for the eradication of Israel. Because, some are doing so.

Ok.
Apologies.

That is simply untrue. Its original reason for banning Russia was the invasion of Ukraine, as the EBU statement at the time (the day after the invasion) was, “In light of the unprecedented crisis in Ukraine, the inclusion of a Russian entry in this year’s Contest would bring the competition into disrepute.” And anyone who would deny that Ukraine winning the contest when it did was not even a tiny bit political has a screw loose. Of course Eurovision is and always has had a political element and has been used for political purposes. You can’t represent a country in a singing contest and pretend there are no politics involved in your choosing to represent your country and being chosen (and trying include references to events you are not allowed to mention due to the pretence it is all deeply non-political). There is no way whatsoever that politics can ever be surgically removed from Eurovision any more than anyone can claim with a straight face that there is no politics involved in the Olympic Games.

And for the avoidance of doubt, here is the press release where the EBU made it clear it banned Russia due to the invasion of Ukraine.
https://eurovision.tv/mediacentre/release/ebu-statement-russia-2022

@Walkaround I said are banned. It's the reason they've remained banned, as per subsequent press releases and interviews.

And I'm sure you're aware that Israel were the ones who were attacked on 7th October, so a very different situation from with Russia where Russia were the ones who attacked Ukraine.

Not different at all - both countries have brought Eurovision into disrepute. Also, you chose to phrase your post in a way that, imvho, deliberately gave the impression the war in Ukraine had nothing whatsoever to do with the EBU’s decisions, ever. Stop playing with semantics and be a bit more honest, please.

As for Russia, their political stance is they were forced to invade Ukraine due to the behaviour of the West. So I’m not buying the whole, “they started it,” excuse for Israel’s behaviour in Gaza.

There comes a point where the mass killing of civilians has no valid excuses. End of.

So I'm being accused of misleading because I used accurate words, but you wanted me to choose different accurate words? But I'm the one playing with semantics 🤦🏻‍♀️

Well said! We could all do with remembering that this has provided a distraction to the events unfolding in Gaza. I am sure the Gazans would prefer us to focus on events there.

I only posted as I found those using the televote as a proxy measure of support for Israel disingenuous, as it only shows how people vote in a singing contest that can be gamed.

The abuse Eden Golan has faced is remarkable. She has been very brave.

Don’t pretend your original reply to my first post did not deliberately attempt to misrepresent the truth by failing to acknowledge that the Ukraine war was precisely the reason why Russia was banned from the competition in 2022. That was a patently political decision which you tried to gloss over by pretending the reason for Russia being banned never had anything whatsoever to do with the war in Ukraine and was always about press freedom. Israel’s current behaviour in Gaza is more than sufficient to bring Eurovision into disrepute this year due to it being kept in the competition. 2025 is another year for Israel - so another decision to be made then - just as 2022, 2023 and 2024 are all different decisions with respect to Russia.

Stop telling me what I was trying to say or do! The absolute arrogance of some people, to think they know a stranger on MN and what they actually meant, rather than just reading their actual words and then accepting that maybe you read more into something than you should have. This has become a personal attack now so I'd suggest you stop. I know you're a supporter of The Bullies of Eurovision 2024 but there's no need for you to morph into one as well

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/ebu-to-review-events-at-eurovision-as-rte-contest-boss-admits-the-foundations-felt-shaky/a1026941771.html

Yes Russia says the 'behaviour' of the West resulted in their invasion of Ukraine but everyone knows that's BS. Its a completely different situation to the torture, mutiliation & massacre of Israelis (&others) and taking of hostages by Hamas. No nation on this earth would refrain from responding to that unequivocal act of war & breach of international law, whatever you think of how Israel has prosecuted the war since.

@Humdingerydoo - But surely, if you did not know that the EBU actually does make political decisions you would have expressed surprise that you were wrong? You didn’t, so I can only presume you knew they have double standards. Or do you just not like admitting to being wrong?

The whole ethos of the EBU is openly political, as its rules favour democratic countries and free speech, which are political choices. I applaud this, but I also do not pretend this is not an openly political stance. And the problem I have with Israel’s behaviour is the democratic countries which claim to uphold and believe in human rights having such appalling double standards. Israel’s current behaviour holds a mirror up to the West’s hypocrisy, which is hugely embarrassing, imvho, and is bringing Western democracy into disrepute.