Israeli Eurovision: how low can you go?

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Israeli entry in Eurovision song contest is likely to be a song called 'October Rain' sung by trans-identifying 'Eden 'Golan'.

My previous thread was deleted for pointing this out.

Ok

Oh and not to mention how even the Greek performer was surprised when she received 12 points from another country who clearly voted politically. Again, only a problem when it happens to Israel?

No. Eurovision has always been about politics and not about music. My home country always used to get points from the neighbours.

Wow. Several tweets. That definitely proves Israel's public support was a fix.

But if winning that bit is what makes Eden supporters happy , then you can have that. The reality is that nemo won the competition

Because I'm not petty or over invested and my happiness does not depend on the results of a cheesy song contest, I don't need to frame it in terms of needing a win or you letting me have it (thanks anyway). Nemo did indeed win, I thought their performance was one of the best of the night, so wasn't particularly surprised and Israel received a huge public vote, which didn't reflect the sentiments of some of the other participants, jurors or, in fact, you. Although I was disappointed in the lack of recognition for Finland's going all out- literally.

But it's only a problem to you this year because you think Israel benefited from it?

Yes, as you know I would have loved to see more of Finland!...although I suppose there wasn't much more left to see

To me it’s a problem when they kicked Russia out despite it being for politics reasons but they don’t kick Israel out because this is about music and not politics.

It will haunt my dreams.

So maybe start campaigning to let Russia back in instead. That would make more sense. Unless you have also secretly been protesting against Azerbaijan's participation?

Although I guess Russia won't be allowed back anytime soon as, unlike Israel, their broadcasters don't currently meet the EBU criteria.

I agree it’s always been political. Comically so in more innocent days where you could predict how certain countries would vote.
But that’s different from bullying an individual. That’s really not acceptable. Obviously bullying is not as bad as what the people in Gaza are going through but to see bullying of individuals just because they are representing their country is horrible. It also sets a terrible example to others and potentially makes others vulnerable. I’m a teacher and I think it is very important that we all know the difference between criticism of a government ( or of the Eurovision organisers) and bullying an individual. The first is ok - the second is not.

Oh and @EasterIssland I got curious so I looked it up. This year was the second highest amount of people watching in the UK ever by quite some margin, the only time more people watched was last year when the UK were the hosts. So just another proof of how easily data can be manipulated to confirm bias instead of being used to be a true reflection of events. Hopefully you'll be more careful with where you get your information from in the future

Difficult to accept Eden didn't win?! That's an extremely childish statement to make. I don't think anyone truly cares who the winner of a ( largely!) Fun and trashy singing contest is in all honesty. It's not that big a deal. However, it WAS a win for democracy and common human decency; that the majority of people across Europe and beyond, don't demonize a 20 year old woman who wants to represent her country and have chosen to vote based on talent and ability.

I really feel very strongly about this because I don’t know enough about the conflict but I do know how some people use conflict and “virtuous causes “ as a cover to pick on vulnerable groups. Bullying an individual is NEVER ok.

My fault. Should have read more than the header

https://amp.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/article/2024/may/12/eurovision-loses-almost-quarter-uk-viewers-olly-alexander

Yes, more than the headline and also in general not relying so heavily on social media for your information would be a good start.

Portugals tv has filed a complain regarding how EBU delayed posting the video of their participant for over an hour and wants to know what happened and why

https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/cultura/rtp-aguarda-respostas-cabais-sobre-atraso-na-divulgacao-da-atuacao-de-iolanda_n1570968

Wow, from that article Portugal seem to be very sore losers 😳

Finland's performance also wasn't posted on the Eurovision website for at least an hour (@Humdingerydoo ask me why I know that). Have they made a complaint about it too?

The Guardian article's statistics could be interpreted either way, either a substantial reduction in UK viewers from last year, or as still the second-highest, and it was almost always going to be very high in a year where the UK was hosting so a drop the next year would be expected.

Without a detailed demographic and political-spectrum breakdown of viewers, probably all we can really say is that Eurovision is quite popular, some people didn't watch for various reasons, and others did watch for various reasons.

Israel isn't in europe which should rule them out. Nothing about the current conflict, I've always thought it was ridiculous. I

Does it matter? Finland complaining or not complaining isn't Portugals problem is it.

That's your opinion. One not shared by EBU. So I guess that's that!

Maybe because they don't want to it to be read as support for the current Israeli government and their actions in Gaza?

Also, has Finland complained and been told it’s because of the nails your participant was using ?

"So unfair! The EBU didn't post my video quick enough for my liking and it's probably because I broke their rules! How unfair is that?! And it's all Israel's fault!"