Israeli Eurovision: how low can you go?

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Israeli entry in Eurovision song contest is likely to be a song called 'October Rain' sung by trans-identifying 'Eden 'Golan'.

My previous thread was deleted for pointing this out.

Eradicating future threats but murdering thousands of children with the aim of creating an entirely docile occupied population with no human rights or dignity. How western populations can support this I really don’t know. The only positive I can see is that the young are not so accepting of this cruel situation.

Unfortunately, people do genuinely believe antisemitic tropes, and don't even notice. They always have - even the tropes which seem obvious and absurd to us now.

My comment with having nothing further to do with you is because I know I'll never change your opinion but with your response to that you are clearly the better person in this exchange

It just occurred to me that the ridiculous idea of Israel buying it's way on to Eurovision is even more ridiculous than previously thought considering there are other nations who have done literally just that 😂😂😂😂 Guaranteed themselves a spot in the final by paying their way there. Oh well. Only nefarious if Israel were to do it, of course.

How? Russia invaded Ukraine unprovoked. Israel responded to an unequivocal act of war (we are assured that everyine condems Hamas). This company is an Israeli company, not an arm of the Israeli government. What exactly as you suggesting?

The hostages are part of it as you know - obviously. But Israel's other stated war aim is to dismantle Hamas, the organisation whose entire reason for being is to drstroy Israel. As you know.

Snivelling little shit wants to grow a backbone 😡

But this is a music festival as per they say and some posters say here. Non political. They should apply for all and not ban on political grounds

This did happen in 2009 when the Israeli entry was a duet between an Israeli Arab and an Israeli Jew, sung in Arabic, Hebrew and English. There is more overlap between Arab and Jewish society in Israel than people outside of the region seem to realise, especially in music.

Unrealistic to expect that to happen this year though, given the circumstances.

Italy where the government is of far right persuasion, a bit like Israel ? A government voted in, which pains me as my grandparents had to flee Mussolini.

Here you go. Here is the reason Russia isn't in Eurovision. It's been Google translated as I assume you don't speak Norwegian but I can send the original as well if you want, if you don't trust Google.

Hopefully this topic can be left alone now. It's getting a bit repetitive.

Eh? Its not 'political' to ban Russia when it poses a clear & present danger to EUROPE in a EUROPEAN music festival.

Dear me.

Of course they would.

It doesn’t seem to be the same as here
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-60530513.amp

wikipedia says once it was announced Russia wouldn’t take part Russians tv decided not to pay the fees

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_in_the_Eurovision_Song_Contest_2022#:~:text=However%2C%20on%2025%20February%202022,final%20on%2010%20May%202022.

so seems it was a political decision which forced it.

@EasterIssland it's quite easy, just don't watch. You've outlined your reasons. You do you. And let the rest of us get on with watching some very much needed light hearted entertainment. You can scour the internet and post your ' boo' Twitter videos after the event I'm sure.

I don't think it's unrealistic (although I might be hopelessly naive). I bet there are absolutely loads of young Israelis and young Palestinians who are horrified by what both Hamas and the Israeli government are doing and how many people they are killing. They would like nothing better to walk out on the world stage, hand in hand, in a 'not in my name' gesture. Not sure the performance would be as good as the Israeli woman's but the sight of such a thing would certainly be more emotional.

It just occurred to me that the ridiculous idea of Israel buying it's way on to Eurovision

Who said Israel were buying its way on to Eurovision? (but if we want to be pedantic all countries who want to participate have to finance it to a certain degree). I pointed out that the main company sponsoring the Eurovision is an Israeli company which may I think (my opinion) is one of the reasons Israel were allowed compete. You can't bite the hand that feeds you.

i don’t think I’ve told anyone whether they should or shouldn’t watch it. I’m nobody to tell others what to do.

ill be here to post the boo videos and If Israel wins to read how happy those pro Israel are.

but, I can challenge those that say this is a non political festival when it’s all about politics really.

I don’t think you really understand the situation. Support for Hamas is high in Gaza (it’s difficult to tell exactly but around 80% or so seems to be what the evidence supports). Hamas actively wants to murder all Jews. It’s nice for you to be naive about that but Israelis can’t afford to be so silly.

of course this doesn’t apply to Israeli Arabs many of whom serve in the IDF and are proud Israelis. Many Arab Israelis have been given citizenship awards (as have Jewish Israelis) for saving others on 7 October. Particularly for christian and Druze Israeli Arabs but also Bedouins, the war has pushed them further away from the Palestinian cause.

The war against Hamas is in the name of the vast majority of Israelis- Arab and Jew. They want to be safe from terror and have the hostages back. There is strong support

Sounds great, but the way Israel chooses who performs is by a televised singing contest. So they'd have to go on that show together and win that first.

Israel has a government in the national interest since 7 October with representatives of all parties.

80% in Gaza. Isn’t it a big high taken into account more than 50% of the population is under age and many of them are probably below 10 years ?

So what you're saying is, you didn't say Israel were buying their way on to Eurovision just that Israel is only allowed to compete because they're giving Eurovision money and they wouldn't want to bite the hand that feeds them? But that's not the same as Israel paying to ensure they get to compete? Ok.

Anyway, to be clear - Israel didn't pay to be allowed on it. Implying or insinuating otherwise is quite the conspiracy theory.

which are the parties ? Looking for information in Wikipedia it says since 2022 these coalition is in the government

The coalition government consists of seven parties — Likud, United Torah Judaism, Shas, Religious Zionist Party, Otzma Yehudit, Noam, and National Unity

when looking into the info of the parties they all are right or far right. Is there no left or far left in Israel ?