Israeli Eurovision: how low can you go?

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Israeli entry in Eurovision song contest is likely to be a song called 'October Rain' sung by trans-identifying 'Eden 'Golan'.

My previous thread was deleted for pointing this out.

It obviously does raise eyebrows on the question of why was Russia banned and not Israel.

TikTok is a sponsor but China aren't competing. Despite their having a much larger influence on businesses than in Israel.

If you look through the thread you'll see this has already been answered several times. One country, Russia, attacked another country unprovoked. The other country, Israel, responded to an incredibly vicious attack by terrorists in Gaza. So very much not unprovoked. This has been recognised by the EBU.

Hopefully this won't need to keep being repeated over and over again. Fingers crossed 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻

Oh, you seem to be getting confused
No not confused

ive not given my opinion. I was replying to another poster regarding

“I don't understand, are you under the impression that Moroccanoil is owned by Israel or something”

I only have said it’s an Israeli brand. Nothing else.

Oh ok so you think the other posters comment wasn't problematic? I see.

Individual people of any nationality - British, Israeli, Gazan - say preposterous things. I'm sure we can find examples from each.

What you said was
"Even if Israel killed every single Palestinian in Gaza and the West Bank and cleared the land for Israeli settlement, posters would still claim it was antisemitic to object"

Which is making up something which is a very, very long way from what Israel has done, and saying it in a way to suggest that it's likely to happen.

Which is very close to historic antisemitic tropes: which have always latched onto whatever is the worst possible thing people can imagine, and then pretended that the Jews do it.

Oh, and there was a nice bit of implied conspiracy theory in there too - another antisemitic trope.

The other country, Israel, responded to an incredibly vicious attack by terrorists in Gaza. So very much not unprovoked. This has been recognised by the EBU.
And I will repeat
I don't understand how people can find it so shocking that there are a lot of people all across the world, from all walks of life and many different countries that are upset and horrified at the children and innocent civilians being killed, starved and displaced. What kind of society would we be if we didn't. Definitely not one I would want to be part of.

It is the way Israel are retaliating people have an issue with. Maybe you don't see anything wrong with a country competing in a lighthearted competition like Eurovision while at the same time killing, starving and displacing a population but I do and I find it pretty inappropriate that they are. We obviously don't share the same values

It's not retaliation though is it?

It is dismantling a terrorist organisation who have repeatedly stated they will be destroying Israel any chance they get.

No because she described a scenario that unfortunately could easily happen if people don't try and force Israel to contain their offensive.

If you read @statsfun most recent comment, you'll hopefully get an understanding as to why you saying this is incredibly offensive. Never too late to learn.

It is dismantling a terrorist organisation who have repeatedly stated they will be destroying Israel any chance they get.
Thought it was about the hostages?

If you still don't see anything wrong with it I've very little left to say to you

Oh and bullying, threatening and harassing Eden Golan will do fuck all to change any military plans.

It's about both. But I'm sure you know that. Not sure why anyone would be opposed to the idea of retrieving hostages or dismantling a terrorist organisation but hey ho! As you said, we clearly have very different values.

Very interesting to see how important an opportunity Eurovision was seen to Israel back in 2019 and I'm sure they will be doing their upmost to win this year, in whatever way possible, as a propaganda tool.

"Israel has been awarded an opportunity it has not experienced since it last hosted the Eurovision in 1999 – an opportunity to improve its cultural image through cultural diplomacy. Prime Minister Netanyahu himself recognized this potential, evident when he called Netta Barzilai “the best ambassador for Israel.”28 If Israel can utilize this opportunity to penetrate the cultural barrier that seems to separate it from the international community and lead to closer cultural links, it would be one of the greatest international relations accomplishments that Israel has seen in decades."
A (Euro)vision for the Future (jcpa.org)

Interestingly, the UK received an unprecedented 'nul' points in 2003 at Eurovision. Terry Wogan called it a 'post-Iraq backlash'.

Israel's involvement in the Eurovision has been questioned in years prior to 2024 due to the Israeli Govt actions in Gaza and towards Palestinians.

Quite a good point. You should have been an advisor to the Israeli government and the IDF. People don’t generally like to see little kids get bombed to pieces either.

"in whatever way possible" - what other conspiracy theories have you attempted to manufacture? You need more practise.

I still think Netanyahu and his right wing government would do it if they thought they could get away with it.

@Humdingerydoo Headline from 2019 and you can find many more
A pretty face on an Apartheid regime: how Eurovision masks the Israeli massacre of Gazans (maltatoday.com.mt)

You’re right, sorry. the implication was from a different poster

Of course it is not just about the hostages - it is about eradicating further threats.

I am fine with you having nothing to further to say to me unless I agree with you but in closing I would like to say that I love Ireland and especially Dublin - home of one of my favourite writers James Joyce.

So long, Dulra.

I don't think it could easily happen. I think that even if it did, some people would still defend it and accuse anyone who disagreed of antisemitism. The woman in the article, for example, I wonder what she thinks would happen/ wants to happen to all the Palestinians living in Gaza and preventing her beach front dreams?
I have no doubt that there are people in the world who would like to see the eradication of Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza and for this land to become Israel and only Israel. I also have no doubt that there are people in the world who would like to see the eradication of the whole of Israel and every Israeli.

Oh well, if a Palestinian in Malta and Roger Waters say so then it must all be true. They're definitely the people I'd turn to for an unbiased take on matters.