Israeli Eurovision: how low can you go?

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Israeli entry in Eurovision song contest is likely to be a song called 'October Rain' sung by trans-identifying 'Eden 'Golan'.

My previous thread was deleted for pointing this out.

Latvias singer talking about freedom

https://twitter.com/escjohnn/status/1788693722806284478

Since you're watching the press conference, any opinion on the amount of applause Eden got there? I'm assuming you have some kind of theory as to why she was applauded? Are you going to go with her having paid for them to do so? Or that they swapped boos for applause? Or maybe you have a new theory for us! Excited to hear what it is, because obviously it's completely impossible to accept that she might actually have supporters, right?

Anyway, I'm going to bed. Looking forward to more irrationally hateful comments from various posters about an innocent 20 year old woman on Saturday 👍🏻

Italy revealed voting percentages for tonight, and she received nearly 40% of the public vote, with10 or so other countries who must have been single digits. So I think she must have a lot of support, at least in Italy.

It's called conscription.

There is precedent - some people become conscientious objectors. There are also exemptions.

Think you might be putting words in my mouth again that I never said.

does she have supporters? Of course she does. Otherwise she’d not be in the final and rai haven’t disclosed 40% of Italians voted for her.

has ebu silenced those that are not happy with Israel’s presence in Eurovision? Yes they’ve as well.

both things can be true

How is it hypocritical? Russia invaded a sovreign nation completely unprovoked. It has been responsible for the attempted/murders of political opponents on european soil. It is a clear & present danger to Europe & European democracy. Israel is a sovreign democracy that is responding to a clear act of war from hamas on 7 October. You surely agree that 7 October was an act of war? You might disagree with the way they are conducting the war (I do) but allies tend ti do better in influencing each other if they remain allies.

I thought Eurovision was about music and not politics though! They declare themselves as non political.

I'm amazed that Israel has ever been in it, seeing as they aren't in Europe !

I was responding to the point about it being hypocritical ti exclude Russia & pointing out the difference between Russia & Israel.

I think the results released by Italy suggest political voting has occurred. 'Hurricane' is a decent song and Eden is a good singer, but neither were so overwhelmingly far ahead of the rest of the competitors to be consistent with that score distribution. Quite a lot of 'usual voters' have boycotted this year, too.

For all I disagree with her politics and am not watching, she's showing a lot of strength being able to perform despite how unpleasant the environment over there looks.

I wouldn't be surprised if Israel won because people don't like to see a young woman being hounded by a mob.

None of us knows whether she would want to.

Terrorists came into her country and brutally tortured and slaughtered 1200 innocent people in their homes, and at a festival. And have said they want to do it again and again. Polls (limited of course) suggest that more than half the population of Gaza supported that massacre.

The wider world largely supports Israel' s right to self-defence, but plenty of people worldwide were cheering that slaughter of innocents the day after it happened, before Israel had retaliated at all. A reminder of the anti-semitism which murdered 1/3 of her ethnic group worldwide 70 years ago (2/3 of her ethnic group in Europe murdered in 5 years, in some countries 90% of them), and is clearly still around today, usually hidden but ready to come out whenever there's an excuse.

Even if she doesn't support the methods being used in the war, or the deaths of civilians in Gaza, I don't think it's a given that she wouldn't be willing to do her military service and do what she can to remove terrorists who have repeatedly (still every day now) shown they want to slaughter her entire people and destroy her country.

Do we know what her politics are?

Well she's representing Israel so it is irrelevant what her personal politics are it is about the country she is representing. Plenty of singers in the past have represented countries they are not from, and it is actually about the song not the singer, it is a song competition, did she write the song herself?

Why are you suggesting that she might not have written her song?

I was talking to @scirocco who apparently knows what her politics are.

My understanding from what I've read and seen in interviews has been that she is supportive of military action and intends to join the IDF in the near future. Neither of those are things with which I agree.

Obviously yiu're entitled to your opinion, but that's not 'politics' really is it? Israeli citizens are conscripted. Her country was attacked - surely she has a right to believe that it is ok to defend her country? Isn't that a fairly normal belief in any country? I'm sure you don't know the details of her position on aspects of the military action & why would you? I wonder if people are scrutinising the 'politics' of all eurovision candidates as closely.

And yet her song is WHOLLY political. I have no objections to Israel entering but she is literally stoking a fire with these lyrics. If Eurovision is supposedly not political then she should have been told to pick a different song or withdraw.

She has a right to believe whatever she wants, and I have a right to disagree with her opinions and conclusions so far as I understand them. I hold no particular ill will against her. I haven't watched her live, but I saw her sing in a video previously and thought she was quite good. She'd probably be in with a shot at winning even without the political voting.

They had to change some of the lyrics, so it's now called Hurricane.

Hurricane

Writer of my symphony
Play with me
Look into my eyes and see
People walk away but never say goodbye
Someone stole the moon tonight
Took my light
Everything is black and white
Who's the fool who told you boys don't cry?

Hours and hours, empowers
Life is no game, but it's ours
While the time goes wild

Every day, I'm losin' my mind
Holdin' on in this mysterious ride
Dancin' in the storm, I got nothin' to hide
Take it all and leave the world behind
Baby, promise me you'll hold me again
I'm still broken from this hurricane
This hurricane

Livin' in a fantasy
Ecstasy
Everything is meant to be
We shall pass, but love will never die, mm
Hours and hours, empowers
Life is no game, but it's ours
While the time goes wild

Every day, I'm losin' my mind
Holdin' on in this mysterious ride
Dancin' in the storm, I got nothin' to hide
Take it all and leave the world behind
Baby, promise me you'll hold me again
I'm still broken from this hurricane

This hurricane

This hurricane

לא צריך מילים גדולות
רק תפילות
אפילו אם קשה לראות
תמיד אתה משאיר לי אור אחד קטן

to translate the end:
don’t need big words
just prayers
even if it is hard to see
you always leave for me one small light

It was originally a song about a massacre at a music festival. That wouldn’t be considered political at all if anyone other than Jews had been murdered. Now the lyrics have been changed so it’s not really about anything.

If I was her, I'd like to think I wouldn't go to Eurovision. Or better still make it loudly known that I would only be attending, hand in hand with a Palestinian performer who also had a spot.
That's what I'd like to think I'd do anyway. I know fame and money is intoxicating though and causes people to overlook all kinds of things.