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PeasfullPerson · 06/03/2024 07:32

KestrelMoon · 05/03/2024 22:37

I'm also wondering whether the people in n charge, those with real power just don't value human life generally.

I am wondering the same thing. The reports of Putin (71) being ill (Parkinson’s rumour), of Nethanyu (74) being ill (cancer rumour) of Biden (82) being ill (Alzheimer’s rumour) perhaps because these leaders are acknowledged to be ill, perhaps keeping from us even a terminal illness, there is no deterrence to them committing crimes to stay in power.

The likelihood of them being alive to stand trial, or even serve a day in prison is much lower than say a healthy leader. Life in prison isn’t as much of a deterrence from ordering crimes against humanity when you are potentially terminally ill.

I don’t want to derail the thread, but in short I am certain that as ordinary citizens, and in the grand schemes of things, we are seen as entirely dispensable and insignificant to the majority of those in power. Some people in my opinion will only care when it’s inconvenient for them not to. Minority groups and vulnerable people are often really easy for them to not care about.

Littlebowiepeep · 06/03/2024 07:58

A joint US/Jordanian initiative airdropped 38,000 meals (on 66 pallets) into Gaza yesterday.

ConnieCounter · 06/03/2024 08:29

Efacsen · 06/03/2024 07:04

I didn't see Channel 4 news - it sounds absolutely heart-breaking

I don't know if this failed aid delivery below is the US aid which has been held up by Israel for weeks - originally to be delivered by UNWRA but refused by Smotrich in favour of the WFP

Israel blocks WFP food deliveries to northern Gaza

Israeli forces have turned back a 14-truck food aid convoy bound for northern Gaza following a three-hour wait at a checkpoint, according to the World Food Programme (WFP).

The convoy was then rerouted but later stopped by a large crowd of desperate people who looted the food and took about 200 tonnes, the UN food agency said in a statement. The incident forced the agency to airdrop food for some 20,000 people into northern Gaza, which has almost been cut off from aid since late October.

“Airdrops are a last resort and will not avert famine,” said Carl Skau, the agency’s deputy executive director. “We need entry points to northern Gaza that will allow us to deliver enough food for half a million people in desperate need.”

I've just seen that UAE have received permission to drop aid 'on the beach' in northern Gaza from boats - don't know how that will work

This was covered on the news this morning. It's unbelievable. The evil of Israel knows no bounds. Absolutely deplorable carry on.

ScrollingLeaves · 06/03/2024 08:33

Littlebowiepeep · 06/03/2024 07:58

A joint US/Jordanian initiative airdropped 38,000 meals (on 66 pallets) into Gaza yesterday.

I saw a video of one of those meals being unwrapped on another . It included a packet of sweets, ‘Skittles’, I think, and packets to make up ‘chilli con carne’ - maybe by adding water ( ?)

The food is probably made so as to pack up neatly and not be too heavy for an airdrop. Perhaps these meals were originally made for soldiers’ knapsacks.

Packets like these must help, but probably are not adequate at all for easing large scale malnutrition.

Efacsen · 06/03/2024 08:36

ConnieCounter · 06/03/2024 08:29

This was covered on the news this morning. It's unbelievable. The evil of Israel knows no bounds. Absolutely deplorable carry on.

See that Canada is also re-starting funding for UNWRA but if Israel won't let them deliver food aid it doesn't help the starving people

It's actually not the US flour that WFP tried to deliver yesterday - enough to feed 1.5 million - that's still stalled

Why isn't the US getting really angry about this?

ConnieCounter · 06/03/2024 08:38

So what's the excuse? Is the World Food Programme anti-semitic/Hamas?

Efacsen · 06/03/2024 08:50

No explanation, no reason given - it is the UN WFP so maybe that's the problem

It's such a huge amount to withhold - also wonder what happened to the 1000 containers of dried goods donated by Turkey stranded at a port in Israel that went went out of the news before any signs of it being delivered

This is the report

US flour shipment to Gaza still stalled weeks later: Report

A large US shipment of flour intended for Gaza remains stalled 46 days after the White House first announced it and nearly two weeks since a new framework was agreed with Israel for its delivery, a US official has told the Times of Israel.

The official did not elaborate on what was causing the delay to the delivery of the flour, which is capable of feeding 1.5 million Palestinians in Gaza for five months. The official said the shipment “should be delivered in the coming days”, the Times of Israel reports.

Far-right Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich blocked the flour’s transfer in early February, stating that it would be distributed through UNRWA, which he called “a central part” of Hamas’s “war machine”.

The revised framework stated that the US flour shipment would be distributed by the UN’s World Food Programme.

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ConnieCounter · 06/03/2024 08:53

Hideous. How anyone can treat Israel like a civilised democracy at this stage is beyond me.

Parkingt111 · 06/03/2024 08:58

@Efacsen I read this yesterday regarding the flour shipment. Apparently Biden is really angry that it still has not been allowed through but clearly not enough to do anything significant about it. Its enough flour to feed 1.5million Gazans for 5 months and should have been delivered weeks ago.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/2-weeks-since-new-framework-okayed-for-sending-flour-to-gaza-us-shipment-still-stalled-official/#:~:text=A%20large%20US%20shipment%20of,tells%20The%20Times%20of%20Israel.

Scirocco · 06/03/2024 08:58

I think what's causing the delay is probably a case of "we don't really want to do that and we don't think the US will make us do it so we're not doing it".

fleurneige · 06/03/2024 08:59

And as said before, will cause Jews all over the world so much grief- as people around the globe see what is happening and will associate it with them. EVen more so in the arab and african world, and all non 'western' countries, but even there, as it becomes impossible not to be aware of the genocide now taking place and the plans for the future of Palestine.

Israel has the right to defend the 1948 territory- but few people seem to be aware that current Israel is more than 10 times over 1948, and has been ILLEGALLY settled, by the foulest of means, since then. How can anyone have the right to defend territory which has been illegally taken?

Parkingt111 · 06/03/2024 09:14

It shouldn't make Jewish people around the world unsafe and It would be wrong for people to associate it with them. The same way it was wrong when people associated 9/11 with all Muslims.

Miller commented yesterday on the flour which is why it was reported in the times, maybe je thinks criticising openly will make a difference which I'm hoping it does.
"You have seen ministers in the Israeli Government block the release of flour from the port at Ashdod; you have seen ministers of the Israeli Government supporting protests that blocked aid from going in to Kerem Shalom,” he says, referring to far-right cabinet members Bezalel Smotrich and Itamar Ben Gvir respectively. “All of those things are obstacles coming from ministers inside the Israeli Government that we have called out, that we have said are unacceptable, and that we have said should end.”

Parkingt111 · 06/03/2024 09:18

Cameron is meeting with Gantz today where he said he is going to tell him that the UK's 'patience is running thin' with Israel constantly blocking aid into Gaza

Parkingt111 · 06/03/2024 09:20

From sky

"I spoke some weeks ago about the danger of this tipping into famine and the danger of illness tipping into disease - and we are now at that point.
"People are dying of hunger; people are dying of otherwise preventable diseases," he said, adding that the amount of aid entering Gaza last month was half that in January.
"The patience needs to run very thin and a whole series of warnings needs to be given, starting, I hope, with a meeting I have with minister Gantz when he visits the UK tomorrow."

PeasfullPerson · 06/03/2024 09:20

Parkingt111 · 06/03/2024 09:18

Cameron is meeting with Gantz today where he said he is going to tell him that the UK's 'patience is running thin' with Israel constantly blocking aid into Gaza

We are way past the patience running thin stage!!

PeasfullPerson · 06/03/2024 09:24

The time for warnings has come and been.

90% of children are affected by an infection disease. The world has failed these children.

‘Unicef has highlighted that 90% of children under five eat fewer than two food groups a day, which is defined as “severe food poverty”, while roughly 90% are affected by an infectious disease, including 70% with diarrhoea’

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/06/colleagues-starvation-gaza-no-precedent-famine

I asked colleagues about starvation in Gaza. They said there is no precedent for what is happening | Devi Sridhar

Famine looks inevitable without intervention. Children are being starved of food – and it is entirely preventable, says global public health expert Devi Sridhar

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/06/colleagues-starvation-gaza-no-precedent-famine

inkworks273 · 06/03/2024 09:25

Someone who has just left Gaza.

This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 2)
Littlebowiepeep · 06/03/2024 09:44

ConnieCounter · 06/03/2024 08:53

Hideous. How anyone can treat Israel like a civilised democracy at this stage is beyond me.

I'm sorry you feel so confused by it all.

It much be difficult to be in such emotional turmoil.

ConnieCounter · 06/03/2024 09:45

Littlebowiepeep · 06/03/2024 09:44

I'm sorry you feel so confused by it all.

It much be difficult to be in such emotional turmoil.

It's difficult to watch people and states supporting genocide, definitely. I'm sure you'll agree.

Littlebowiepeep · 06/03/2024 09:48

ConnieCounter · 06/03/2024 09:45

It's difficult to watch people and states supporting genocide, definitely. I'm sure you'll agree.

I can't agree when it is "alleged" genocide - it hasn't been proved.

The law must take it's course, that's how it works.

ConnieCounter · 06/03/2024 09:50

So what do you call the deliberate starvation of millions of people? And does it not bother you? @Littlebowiepeep

Efacsen · 06/03/2024 09:51

Littlebowiepeep · 06/03/2024 09:48

I can't agree when it is "alleged" genocide - it hasn't been proved.

The law must take it's course, that's how it works.

It's not 'alleged genocide' as per the ICJ it's 'plausible genocide' - quite different

Littlebowiepeep · 06/03/2024 09:54

Efacsen · 06/03/2024 09:51

It's not 'alleged genocide' as per the ICJ it's 'plausible genocide' - quite different

Still, it hasn't come back to court has it?

Until there's a resolution/ruling I'm not going to get involved with speculations and emotive hyperbolic rhetoric.

Efacsen · 06/03/2024 09:55

Efacsen · 06/03/2024 09:51

It's not 'alleged genocide' as per the ICJ it's 'plausible genocide' - quite different

And the situation in Gaza has significantly deteriorated in the 5 weeks since the ICJ made that ruling

Plus the ICJ aren't the only experts in the field

Littlebowiepeep · 06/03/2024 09:59

ConnieCounter · 06/03/2024 09:50

So what do you call the deliberate starvation of millions of people? And does it not bother you? @Littlebowiepeep

You have made a couple of unproved assumptions. viz that "millions" are starving, and that it is "deliberate".

I'm not going to lose sleep over speculations.

There is so much misinformation coming out of Gaza it isn't possible to know what the answers are.

No doubt the ICJ will review the situation at some stage.