This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 2)

[Eyesopenwideawake]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/28/one-in-five-pregnant-women-in-gaza-clinic-are-malnourished-doctors-warn

@Scirocco 'Those babies look to have been left by the IDF to decompose, with no compassion for the torment that will cause their families.'

The IDF give a different account,

In response to these claims, the IDF said that “it did not operate inside the Al-Nasr hospital,” and that “these allegations are not only false but also a perverse exploitation of innocent lives, used as tools to spread dangerous misinformation.”
“This is more evident when taking into account that the IDF assisted in moving newborns from the pediatric ward of the Shifa hospital to safety, as well as providing Israeli incubators in the process,” the statement added.

Well they would, wouldn't they.

Eyewitness accounts don't tally with the IDF bullshit.

The existence of different accounts is why I said "look to have been" and why I asked about the chain of reporting for that video, @Alstreena .

Well, there's no need to be unpleasant.

I was just giving another account in the interests of balance.

The IDF statement was repeated by CNN.

These discussions happened back in December on these boards. It was a low point for Mumsnet in my opinion, where mothers defended the IDF who left these tiny babies to die alone. I'm still upset about it so forgive me if my language was "unpleasant".

Unpleasant !!!

What Netanyahu and the IDF are doing is unpleasant times 3 billion times :(

Since when does idf care about burial rules of Islamic cultures? Many bodies have been found handcuffed buried

Reading mothers supporting and defending that was one of the most disappointing things I'd encountered for some time. You'd think a group of people who are mostly parents would have been able to say that premature babies should not be left to die alone and should be guven compassion in death. Would we want that for our own children? And if not, why is it ok to happen to other people's children? But somehow people still managed to defend it.

Yes I know he killed a soldier 40 years ago. My question is , if an Israeli goes to prison and dies whilst is in prison … will they provide the body to the family or will they keep it until they’ve completed their sentence?

Last November it was written here that:

Al-Kahlot [Doctor, Director of Al Nasr Hospital] stated that he informed the Israeli occupation army officer, who warned them of the final evacuation, of the condition of the five children on respirators and that they could not be transferred, and he informed him that he was aware of this and would deal with it.
That was an excerpt from this article:
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231129-israel-left-premature-palestinian-babies-to-die-alone-after-evacuating-gaza-hospital/

CNN December 2023
But, in an audio recording of a conversation between a senior official at Al-Rantisi hospital and an officer from COGAT, which coordinates the Israeli government’s activities in the Palestinian territories and Gaza, it appears Israeli forces instructed hospital patients and staff to evacuate.

In the recording, released by the IDF on November 11, the Israeli officer assures the hospital official that ambulances will be arranged.

The hospital official tells the COGAT officer that ambulances cannot reach the hospital, and the officer replies: “I’ll arrange coordination with the primary aid center. Don’t worry, I’m near the army, it will be okay.”

“Will the ambulances take the patients and the medical staff?” the hospital official asks.

“No problem,” the COGAT officer responds, in the recording.

That was an excerpt from this CNN article. The article states its sources:

www.cnn.com/2023/12/08/middleeast/babies-al-nasr-gaza-hospital-what-we-know-intl/index.html

My DC1 was buried the day after they died

I am so sorry for the death of your child Scirroco and for anyone else reading here whose child has died.💐

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/08/how-palestinians-started-smuggling-their-sperm-out-of-israeli-prisons/

What an extraordinary thing to learn about. It seems a glimpse into a way of thinking about new life and the overarching importance of families that is a bit alien now in our Western societies.

We would most likely just see having a child under these conditions as impractical and irresponsible.

No wonder the Israeli government does not recognise the children’s existence. The children born to these life-sentenced fathers must essentially free them in spirit in spite of the walls.

May I suggest, and I say this kindly, that if you are still upset by events that happened in December that you step away from these boards.

Maybe some counselling would be useful if you have trouble processing these issues?
Anyone's mental health is very precious and should be nurtured IMO.

Would have been nice if Hamas hadn't committed atrocities against Israeli citizen and started this conflict .....

How is this defending the murder of babies? This is just hyperbolic nonsense

@Alstreena is there any number of casualties / deaths that would be sufficient to stop this argument being raised to justify the actions of Israel?

What do you need? 50k deaths? 100k? We already know there are already 100k deaths and injured people combined. How many kids have been left with no limbs or worse still, no parents?

I think being moved by neonates being abandoned to suffocate slowly on beds is a normal human reaction, thanks.

What does help is people not defending or making excuses for the army who committed this atrocity.

And it would be nice if Israel didn't commit all of the atrocities they have over the last 6 months. Both things can be true. Hamas killing people doesn't mean its OK for Israel to starve over 2million people or that its OK to systematically destroy a healthcare system leaving the most vulnerable in society to die.

There are rules about what an occupying power can and cannot do to those that they choose to occupy, rules about what can happen in war. These rules are there to protect innocent people like Palestinians and like me and you. When you give one nation the OK to disregard international law, to disregard humanitarian law you are giving it to everybody.

This is sickening. A 94 year old lady with Alzheimer's the IDF wouldn't let leave with her family.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C5i_EMBLPRJ/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

I remember reading about it when the IDF made her stay behind. And now this sickening follow-up. Desperately sad.

I was trying to be helpful, as obviously these issues are causing you psychological distress.

The trouble with non-stop access to social media and news outlets is that our boundaries, identities and values can be assaulted whenever we look at our phones/computer screen, turning all of us into tinder boxes.

One could also argue that the way we curate our news sources feeds polarisation. Social media sites like Twitter power up confirmation bias.
If someone has have an opinion on one thing, their natural confirmation bias will gear them towards accepting news and stories that appeal to their opinion, and then Twitter or Facebook further encapsulates them into a filter bubble.

It is arguable that this induces and increases a kind of righteous indignation that may lead to a behaviour outside the social network.

My psychological state is fine. Please stop commenting on it. My mentioning that I was "upset" doesn't warrant your over the top responses.

Social media isn't the problem here, it's the atrocities that are happening. Seeing children being murdered would make any normal person upset.