This is the reality of what Israeli is doing.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/10/im-so-scared-please-come-hind-rajab-six-found-dead-in-gaza-12-days-after-cry-for-help

“they did not know the child but every child is everyone's child”

Does this include Palestinian children?

@incognitothismorning ,

Well the IRA was pretty brutal at times, but I don’t think the British government would ever have turned NI into a wasteland just to destroy the IRA.

It is really important to distinguish between the actual terrorists and civilians. Of course, in war, there is unavoidable collateral damage, but there is an acceptable limit to this, which I feel Israel has exceeded.

Would you think it were ok for Israel to use tactical nukes or fuel air burst bombs?

Whatever the provocation, it doesn’t justify the level of destruction and civilian death Israel is continuing to dole out.

I would expect the UK to go to war, I would expect casualties from that, on both sides

@DistinguishedSocialCommenator

Last post on this thread and I reiterate, in all wars the innocents lose their homes, businesses, lives and family the top brass are often sat in bunkers or far away countries in 5 star hotels.

So what possible justification is there for tens of thousands of civilians being murdered as collateral damage? If as you say, probably correctly, the Hamas top brass are safe wherever they are?

Why is Israel continuing a war in which tens of thousands of innocent civilians, including many many children, are being killed,

I didn't say that terrorism shouldn't be challenged. I stated that Hamas' number will keep growing. Like cutting the head off a Hydra. It's easy to say get rid of Hamas - what happens if that can't be achieved?

@Blackkittypoo I'm glad for you that you believe that this is an "emotive genocide rhetoric". I'd rather listen to the people of Palestine who are living it rather than some random on the internet. I am well aware of atrocities that are happening in other countries thanks. You don't need to point them out.

@starfleet Sorry, I didn't realise you were in Gaza and getting the information first hand.

If a terrorist did that to a British baby, I guarantee the government would not go to war against the nation that the terrorist group was from. Because again, there is a huge difference, between a terrorist group and a nation. Israel very obviously by its actions, is at war with Palestine, not Hamas.

@incognitothismorning

But lets be clear about who started it. if a terrorist group entered a British home and did that to a baby, along with the other deaths and hostage taking, I would expect a similar response from the UK, tbh

You'd expect the UK government to sanction and carry out the deaths of tens of thousands of civilians in response to that would you?

I would expect the UK to go to war, I would expect casualties from that, on both sides

To war with who though? The entire country that the terrorists are from? Including tens of thousands of children?

They didn't for certainty, its only presumed that the tanks did

And you would expect 70% of the casualties of that war to be non-combatant women and children, and for all the rules of war to be ignored so that doctors, ambulances, babies are actively targeted?

I cannot comprehend your level or bloodlust and inhumanity

Just out of interest, are you aware of how many Jews were displaced and actively encouraged to "go back to Palestine" at roughly the same time as the Nakba? I'm not even talking about the Holocaust at this point. I'm talking about Jews from Arab nations. I'm trying to work out if it's constantly being ignored because people aren't aware of it or if it's because people don't care about it.

Thanks for your post. As I said, random on the internet, you believe what you will.

I don't have to be in Gaza to see what is happening.

Yes, an awful lot of assumptions being made. I've said it before but it apparently needs to be said again - were no lessons learned after the false claims of 500 (later increased to 800) dead in a hospital parking lot which was shot at by Palestinian terrorists inside Gaza?

And I would expect the British army to be better controlled and disciplined than the racist psychopaths fighting for the IDF. I remember the absolute shock and anger from the British public when the despicable treatment by some soldiers of Iraqi prisoners was exposed, very different to how Israelis view the appalling behaviour of some IDF soldiers.

It’s about the same number as displaced Palestinians, I think?

But the Arab Jews from several countries, vs all Palestinians from one.

The main difference is that Israel has explicitly downplayed the Jewish displacement, because they wanted to push the idea that those people were ‘returning to their homeland’ rather than being removed from somewhere.
In the eyes of Zionists, to complain about their displacement undermines the whole argument about Israel being the spiritual home of all Jews.
And as 75% of those displaced Jews settled in Israel, that suggests they agree with the sentiment- although I am aware there are periodic calls for compensation (also not supported by Israeli governments)

America has also followed this despite several campaigns to raise the profile of the issue.

So it’s really not the same as the Palestinians complaints about their displacement and ongoing subjugation

If you had a thread about October 7th and someone came on to say “yes but don’t forget about Hind” they’d be accused of whataboutary But posts like this are fine?

Its almost as if they think threads about Israeli victims are for discussing Israeli victims and threads about Palestinian victims are for reminding everyone about October 7 🤔

As demonstrated...

It is terribly sad that Mila Cohen, the baby who was killed on 7/10 was shot by Hamas and it shouldnt have happened. If a terrorist shot a baby in the UK I don't think most of the UK would want 100s if not 1000s of babies killed in retaliation though. Not to mention the 1000s of babies being slowly starved to death.

No, it was about 900 000. So 200 000 more. Quite a high percentage more people. And that obviously doesn't include any Jews who were displaced from Europe.

So to answer my question from earlier, is it then a combination of people not being aware and of people not giving a shit about displaced Jews because you feel more sorry for the Palestinians?

@Fussandmisery that happens on every thread I have been on that's pro Jewish/ hostages/ Israel in any way. If you look at the conflict pages just browse and see posters can't help themselves.

And that was hardly whataboutery. It was a personal story. Unless you are accusing them of making it up?

I’ve googled it

Estimate is 750k Palestinians vs 850k Arab jews

And to answer your question (again) it is because Israel and the US has deliberately and repeatedly downplayed the significance of the displacement and reframed it as them returning to their homeland, in order to justify the creation of Israel

So I guess you are highlighting yet another group of people who’s right to live in land that was previously theirs or their families has been obliterated by Israeli policy and misinformation

But it wasn’t ’a terrorist’. It was Palestine’s government.

If a terrorist shot a baby in the UK I don't think most of the UK would want 100s if not 1000s of babies killed in retaliation though. Not to mention the 1000s of babies being slowly starved to death.

Well said.

Surely @incognitothismorning you wouldn't really believe it would be the response of the UK government?

And that was hardly whataboutery. It was a personal story. Unless you are accusing them of making it up?
So mentioning something to do with Palestinians on a thread initially made to discuss the impact of the war on Israelis is whataboutery but this isn’t? Yeah right.

It does happen on every thread though. Because things are so polarised.

@Notsuretoputit

But it wasn’t ’a terrorist’. It was Palestine’s government.

OK let's replace that word then.

"If a government (agent / operative / minister etc) shot a baby in the UK I don't think most of the UK would want 100s if not 1000s of babies killed in retaliation though. Not to mention the 1000s of babies being slowly starved to death."

Surely you can't disagree with the point that poster is making? You really think that people would expect or sanction the retaliatory deaths of hundreds or thousands of babies?