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BackandForthRoundandRound · 11/02/2024 14:27

Notsuretoputit · 11/02/2024 14:26

Where have they stated that? It makes no sense. Opening the borders and taking in the Palestinians as refugees would be humanitarian, surely? Not complicit?

Egypt has repeatedly stated that the border remains closed because of security concerns.

Look at news articles. I saw it also.

Ethnically cleansing an area is not something to aspire to.

FixTheBone · 11/02/2024 14:27

PutMyFootIn · 10/02/2024 23:21

You clearly have a very poor understanding of Middle Eastern history if you think it’s a fact that this started in October 7th.

Maybe you should learn about 1947, the creation of Israel, Al Nakba, 1948 war, 1967 war, the continuing occupation of Gaza and the severe restrictions on rights on Palestinian people, the continuous attacks on Palestinians, the illegal settlements. So much you don’t understand when you loudly tell us this started in October 7th 2923.

The problem is - nobody cares about that. It's just history. Many of the people who lived through that aren't even with us any more. It may sound brutal but people really just don't care.

And nobody will care about October the 7th in 50 years time.

What's your point?

BackandForthRoundandRound · 11/02/2024 14:28

Blackkittypoo · 11/02/2024 14:17

So if bullets were removed from the vehicle it could be determined where they came from?

It doesn't explain why a tank would fire at a car that was right next to it??

It's Israeli forces... they fire at anyone and everything

stomachameleon · 11/02/2024 14:31

@BackandForthRoundandRound and what if it wasn't? It's easily proved one way or another.

BabaBarrio · 11/02/2024 14:32

stomachameleon · 11/02/2024 13:47

As demonstrated...

And having Israel on their doorstop just giving away land for free and a government loan to build a house on it (not to worry the IDF will help you kick off any Arabs and even force them to demolish their own homes!)
A land where you can be a first class citizen that gets billions from the US in “aid” every year. A new nation that was advertising itself as a homeland for all Jews, no visa needed, just show up and you are granted full citizenship.

That I suppose had nothing to do with those Jewish people voluntarily emigrating en masse from the poverty stricken neighbouring countries.

That isn’t ethnic cleansing where people are forced to flee as refugees. That is what is called being an economic migrant.

BackandForthRoundandRound · 11/02/2024 14:32

stomachameleon · 11/02/2024 14:31

@BackandForthRoundandRound and what if it wasn't? It's easily proved one way or another.

I would bet money on it being them given their obvious obsession with blowing things up and murdering civilians ~ particularly women and children. That seems to be their particularly favourites to target.

Notsuretoputit · 11/02/2024 14:33

BackandForthRoundandRound · 11/02/2024 14:27

Look at news articles. I saw it also.

Ethnically cleansing an area is not something to aspire to.

I’m looking at them. Very much seems an issue of security.

BabaBarrio · 11/02/2024 14:33

Humdingerydoo · 11/02/2024 13:51

No, it was about 900 000. So 200 000 more. Quite a high percentage more people. And that obviously doesn't include any Jews who were displaced from Europe.

So to answer my question from earlier, is it then a combination of people not being aware and of people not giving a shit about displaced Jews because you feel more sorry for the Palestinians?

It is because 1) they were economic migrants not refugees, so they were not displaced and 2) they had a land to go to. Neither applies to the Palestinians.

BackandForthRoundandRound · 11/02/2024 14:33

BabaBarrio · 11/02/2024 14:32

And having Israel on their doorstop just giving away land for free and a government loan to build a house on it (not to worry the IDF will help you kick off any Arabs and even force them to demolish their own homes!)
A land where you can be a first class citizen that gets billions from the US in “aid” every year. A new nation that was advertising itself as a homeland for all Jews, no visa needed, just show up and you are granted full citizenship.

That I suppose had nothing to do with those Jewish people voluntarily emigrating en masse from the poverty stricken neighbouring countries.

That isn’t ethnic cleansing where people are forced to flee as refugees. That is what is called being an economic migrant.

Indeed.

Humdingerydoo · 11/02/2024 14:34

BabaBarrio · 11/02/2024 14:32

And having Israel on their doorstop just giving away land for free and a government loan to build a house on it (not to worry the IDF will help you kick off any Arabs and even force them to demolish their own homes!)
A land where you can be a first class citizen that gets billions from the US in “aid” every year. A new nation that was advertising itself as a homeland for all Jews, no visa needed, just show up and you are granted full citizenship.

That I suppose had nothing to do with those Jewish people voluntarily emigrating en masse from the poverty stricken neighbouring countries.

That isn’t ethnic cleansing where people are forced to flee as refugees. That is what is called being an economic migrant.

Wait, what??? Are you denying that 900 000 Jews were forcibly displaced / ethnically cleansed from the surrounding Arab nations? You think my family left Iraq voluntarily? Left all their friends, land, family jewellery and money behind because they thought they'd be better off in Israel?

BabaBarrio · 11/02/2024 14:35

stomachameleon · 11/02/2024 14:17

@BabaBarrio I don't know why you feel the need to pick and bully when someone doesn't agree with you. It's their prerogative.

I don’t know why you think disagreeing with someone is ‘bullying.’

BackandForthRoundandRound · 11/02/2024 14:35

Notsuretoputit · 11/02/2024 14:33

I’m looking at them. Very much seems an issue of security.

I would recommend not sticking to the usual Israel-friendly pieces...

Also, why should Egypt open their border?

Because a country being a maniac decides to bully and murder people off their own land.

Expecting other countries to bow down to them.

ProfessorPipsqueak · 11/02/2024 14:38

stomachameleon · 11/02/2024 14:31

@BackandForthRoundandRound and what if it wasn't? It's easily proved one way or another.

Can I ask how you think it is easily proved. Whose word would you take that they were Israeli bullets? Who would you have travel through a war zone where aid trucks are being blown up, red crescent workers are being killed, medical workers are being shot at to prove it? Is the word of the Palestian girls who were there not good enough for you, if not, why don't you believe them?

BabaBarrio · 11/02/2024 14:38

Blackkittypoo · 11/02/2024 14:17

So if bullets were removed from the vehicle it could be determined where they came from?

It doesn't explain why a tank would fire at a car that was right next to it??

Yes, it could. I suppose you just don’t believe Layan and Hind who both said the tank was firing on them before dying in a hail of bullets.

Humdingerydoo · 11/02/2024 14:39

BabaBarrio · 11/02/2024 14:33

It is because 1) they were economic migrants not refugees, so they were not displaced and 2) they had a land to go to. Neither applies to the Palestinians.

No, they were not economic migrants. They left their fortunes behind and were forced to leave. It's ethnic cleansing. They were forcibly displaced.

Do you often find yourself rewriting history or is it only when it comes to attrocities that affect Jews?

Blackkittypoo · 11/02/2024 14:41

BabaBarrio · 11/02/2024 14:38

Yes, it could. I suppose you just don’t believe Layan and Hind who both said the tank was firing on them before dying in a hail of bullets.

Well, as I said, examining the bullets will give the DNA of the weapons involved.

BabaBarrio · 11/02/2024 14:42

Humdingerydoo · 11/02/2024 14:34

Wait, what??? Are you denying that 900 000 Jews were forcibly displaced / ethnically cleansed from the surrounding Arab nations? You think my family left Iraq voluntarily? Left all their friends, land, family jewellery and money behind because they thought they'd be better off in Israel?

I think I will need proof that 900,000 Jews were ethnically cleansed from the region post 1947. Your family could have fled a larger war rather than a war specifically against Jewish people.

Post something, I posted the proof that tanks, and specifically the tanks IDF are using, fire bullets after you posted claiming they did not.

So, I provide proof, you should provide proof.

BabaBarrio · 11/02/2024 14:43

Humdingerydoo · 11/02/2024 14:39

No, they were not economic migrants. They left their fortunes behind and were forced to leave. It's ethnic cleansing. They were forcibly displaced.

Do you often find yourself rewriting history or is it only when it comes to attrocities that affect Jews?

One family, your family doesn’t prove ethnic cleansing of close to a million people. Keep in mind forcible displacement isn’t always ethnic cleansing. Post some evidence.

tenbob · 11/02/2024 14:44

Humdingerydoo · 11/02/2024 14:34

Wait, what??? Are you denying that 900 000 Jews were forcibly displaced / ethnically cleansed from the surrounding Arab nations? You think my family left Iraq voluntarily? Left all their friends, land, family jewellery and money behind because they thought they'd be better off in Israel?

But Israel has said they were better off in Israel and therefore wouldn’t even allow themselves to call themselves displaced.

Israel said their old homes weren’t even real homes because israel
was their home and their birthright

Does that incense you..? Because you’re so so close. Keep going…

BabaBarrio · 11/02/2024 14:46

Blackkittypoo · 11/02/2024 14:41

Well, as I said, examining the bullets will give the DNA of the weapons involved.

I don’t think anyone is doubting the IDF killed Hind and three other children in that car other than a few on this thread. Not even the Israeli media as shown by this translated article on MSN
https://www.msn.com/he-il/news/other/body-of-gaza-girl-ambulance-team-trapped-under-israeli-fire-found-after-12-days/ar-BB1i4mVl

MSN

https://www.msn.com/he-il/news/other/body-of-gaza-girl-ambulance-team-trapped-under-israeli-fire-found-after-12-days/ar-BB1i4mVl

Parkingt111 · 11/02/2024 14:47

The IDF haven't actually said it wasn't them despite widespread reporting of the incident. None of the articles actually cast doubt that they think it might not be the IDF.
They have chosen to remain strangely silent

BabaBarrio · 11/02/2024 14:53

Notsuretoputit · 11/02/2024 14:33

I’m looking at them. Very much seems an issue of security.

The security issue is long term, they do not want to become like Lebanon, Syria or Jordan with similarly porous borders between Egypt and Israel. The Palestinian refugee camps in these other neighbours have become porous with near incessant cross border hostilities. If Egypt allows millions of refugees into Sinai, one they cannot economically afford and second, they know Israel will cross into Egypt with impunity to strike any targets they think might, possibly, have a whiff of Palestinian terrorist about it, and more often than not kill Egyptians.

Notsuretoputit · 11/02/2024 14:54

BabaBarrio · 11/02/2024 14:32

And having Israel on their doorstop just giving away land for free and a government loan to build a house on it (not to worry the IDF will help you kick off any Arabs and even force them to demolish their own homes!)
A land where you can be a first class citizen that gets billions from the US in “aid” every year. A new nation that was advertising itself as a homeland for all Jews, no visa needed, just show up and you are granted full citizenship.

That I suppose had nothing to do with those Jewish people voluntarily emigrating en masse from the poverty stricken neighbouring countries.

That isn’t ethnic cleansing where people are forced to flee as refugees. That is what is called being an economic migrant.

Morocco

In 1955, a mob broke into the Jewish mellah in Mazagan (known today as El Jadida) and caused its 1700 Jewish residents to flee to the European quarters of the city. The houses of some 200 Jews were too badly damaged during the riots for them to return.[59] In 1954, Mossad had established an undercover base in Morocco, sending agents and emissaries within a year to appraise the situation and organize continuous emigration.

Tunisia

After attacks in 1967, Jewish emigration both to Israel and France accelerated. There were also attacks in 1982, in 1985 following Israel's Operation Wooden Leg,[93][94] and most recently in 2002 when a bombing in Djerba took 21 lives (most of them German tourists) near the local synagogue, a terrorist attack claimed by Al-Qaeda.

Libya

Over a period of several days more than 140 Jews (including 36 children) were killed, hundreds were injured, 4000 were displaced and 2,400 were reduced to poverty. Five synagogues in Tripoli and four in provincial towns were destroyed, and over 1000 Jewish residences and commercial buildings were plundered in Tripoli alone. The pogroms continued in June 1948, when 15 Jews were killed and 280 Jewish homes destroyed.

On 31 December 1958 a decree was issued by the President of the Executive Council of Tripolitania, which ordered the dissolution of the Jewish Community Council and the appointment of a Muslim commissioner nominated by the Government. A law issued in 1961 required Libyan citizenship for the possession and transfer of property in Libya, a requirement that was rejected to all but six Libyan Jews. Jews were banned from voting, attaining public offices and from serving in the army or in police.

Iraq

In 1948, the country was placed under martial law, and the penalties for Zionism were increased. Courts martial were used to intimidate wealthy Jews, Jews were again dismissed from civil service, quotas were placed on university positions, Jewish businesses were boycotted (E. Black, p. 347) and Shafiq Ades, one of the most important Jewish businessmen in the country (who was non-Zionist) was arrested and publicly hanged for allegedly selling goods to Israel. The Jewish community's general sentiment was that if a man as well connected and powerful as Ades could be eliminated by the state, other Jews would not be protected any longer.[136]

Additionally, like most Arab League states, Iraq forbade any legal emigration of its Jews after the 1948 war on the grounds that they might go to Israel and could strengthen that state. At the same time, increasing government oppression of the Jews fueled by anti-Israeli sentiment together with public expressions of antisemitism created an atmosphere of fear and uncertainty.
However, by 1949 Jews were escaping Iraq at about a rate of 1000 a month.

Egypt

The drive to Egyptianize public life and the economy harmed the minorities, but the Jews had more strikes against them than the others. In the agitation against the Jews of the late thirties and the forties, the Jew was seen as an enemy[168] The Jews were attacked because of their real or alleged links to Zionism. Jews were not discriminated because of their religion or race, like in Europe, but for political reasons.

Yemen

In 1947, rioters killed at least 80 Jews in Aden, a British colony in southern Yemen. In 1948 the new Zaydi Imam Ahmad bin Yahya unexpectedly allowed his Jewish subjects to leave Yemen, and tens of thousands poured into Aden.

Syria

In 1948, the government banned the sale of Jewish property and in 1953 all Jewish bank accounts were frozen. The Syrian secret police closely monitored the Jewish community. Over the following years, many Jews managed to escape, and the work of supporters, particularly Judy Feld Carr,[194] in smuggling Jews out of Syria, and bringing their plight to the attention of the world, raised awareness of their situation.

Bahrain

In the wake of 29 November 1947 U.N. Partition vote, demonstrations against the vote in the Arab world were called for 2–5 December. The first two days of demonstrations in Bahrain saw rock-throwing against Jews, but on 5 December, mobs in the capital of Manama looted Jewish homes and shops, destroyed the synagogue, beat any Jews they could find, and murdered one elderly woman.[215] As a result, many Bahraini Jews fled Bahrain.

Economic migrants, you say?

El Jadida - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Jadida

Cupcakes2024 · 11/02/2024 14:55

What does the forensics report say if there is one ?

Notsuretoputit · 11/02/2024 14:58

Humdingerydoo · 11/02/2024 14:34

Wait, what??? Are you denying that 900 000 Jews were forcibly displaced / ethnically cleansed from the surrounding Arab nations? You think my family left Iraq voluntarily? Left all their friends, land, family jewellery and money behind because they thought they'd be better off in Israel?

Indeed. Do people genuinely believe this stuff?

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