Please do all you can to object to the genocide of Palestinians (Thread 2)

[EasterIssland]

Hi just realised that the other thread has reached max comments so opening this new one. Hope the other threads op doesn’t mind.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/4947625-please-do-all-you-can-to-object-to-the-genocide-of-palestinians

Hmm,
Since I made the suggestion about people moving out of harm's way I have discovered that some Palestinians are, in fact "Stateless" which raises a whole shed-load of problems when it comes to travel.

It seems many Palestinians obtained naturalisation and citizenship in the countries in which they settled outside the Middle East and North Africa.

However, this is not the case for Palestinians in the Arab world. The Arab States did not want to undermine the Palestinian’s refugee status for political reasons and thus would not normally give them citizenship. However, Palestinians were given the same rights to work as nationals of a particular Arab State in which they resided and the right to live and return to that State, although in the case of Egypt a re-entry visa to do so was required.

I really don't get this at all.

When the Home Office revoked Shamina Begum's British Citizenship people all over the world were throwing up their hands in horror and telling us (GB) that we had no right to make her "Stateless".
Yet here we have a whole group of people who seem to be classed as "permanent refugees".

My brain hurts.🤔

Have you seen what's happening in Gaza or the occupied West Bank recently?

Because it's kind of not ok.

If Palestinians were stopped from leaving why are there so many of them in the West?
And how did Humza Yousef's in laws manage to return to Gaza for a holiday if they're not allowed to go back there?
Or to return to carry out operations as a number of doctors do ?

Have you ever considered reading about Palestinians ? Or is it just your misconceptions and happy to carry that way?

Why do you keep putting quotation marks around Palestinians?

You either care about murder or you don't. You can't say repeatedly how horrified you are that 1200 Jewish people were murdered on 7 October but not be equally horrified that nearly 30,000 Palestinians have been killed since.

You either care about innocent people being murdered or you don't.

I’ve reported the comment for hate speech. Hopefully many will do and comments like this won’t be allowed in mn. They’re downgrading the Palestinians and that shouldn’t be acceptable

People can apply for visas to leave, often linked with studying or employment.

I'm not going to comment on the specifics of an individual family's circumstances, out of respect.

In general terms, though, people with family resident in Gaza can apply to visit for short periods. That's very different from being allowed to move back permanently.

People can try to move back permanently but there's no automatic right. If they leave, they may never get to go back.

People such as doctors may get visas for short or medium term work, usually linked with a specific aid programme or healthcare project. They then have to leave again. Some people may be part of projects that involve staying for 6 months at a time.

Gosh, so much dehumanising and hateful language about Palestinian people on this thread, which is about objecting to their genocide.

I don't understand why you're here?

Please report it. The more of us that report it then the comments will get deleted and if someone keeps doing it then being kicked out of mn. @mnhq shouldn’t allow any dehumanisation, independently of sex , nationality or religion

I would not necessarily call it "downgrading" as much as "erasing".

The whole thing is a long-standing pro-Israel trope that, in essence, states "there are no Palestinians - just generic "Arabs" - and, as such, Palestinians are no nation and hence have no claim to a nation-state" (to summarise crudely).

The whole thing is, of course, quite ridiculous on several different fronts:

1. The notion of a "nation", the idealisation of the "nation-state" and everything that this implies are, largely, an invention of the 19th century that subsequently gained in popularity. The Zionist movement itself is a product of this questionable trend - never had anyone thought of "Jews as a nation" before being a nation was suddenly fashionable as of about the period of romanticism - nor, for that matter of the French or of Germans!
2. There is ample evidence for the emergence of a distinct Palestinian identity from, at the very least, the very early 20th century onwards - in line with (see above) the whole "nation" idea gaining traction everywhere!
3. Technically, you do not need to be a "nation" in order to feel a deep connection to your land, your community, your customs, your language and culture! Your neighbours! Plenty of people have been upset about being driven into exile before the concepts of nations and nation states even existed!

Of course.

And I should add that if after reporting it you see that the comment hasn’t been deleted please question the reason behind , I tend to say if I said this about Israel / Jewish would the comment be left behind or deleted ?

I once even copied the comment of a poster I wasn’t happy with. Changed the word Palestine for israel and posted it. Not long after I got my comment reported and deleted. So I went back to mnhq to ask why the difference in behaviour. I got an apology and the comment I had reported deleted.

Why on earth have you typed Palestinians with ""?

@EasterIssland

And I should add that if after reporting it you see that the comment hasn’t been deleted please question the reason behind , I tend to say if I said this about Israel / Jewish would the comment be left behind or deleted ?

I once even copied the comment of a poster I wasn’t happy with. Changed the word Palestine for israel and posted it. Not long after I got my comment reported and deleted. So I went back to mnhq to ask why the difference in behaviour. I got an apology and the comment I had reported deleted.

How was that even allowed to happen? MN have a lot to answer for. What was their reason?

I've reported @sunick post too.

Apologise and move on. 🤷🏻‍♀️ i shouldn’t have to risk my account but it got deleted so i was happy with that

The difference is that 1,200 people were murdered.
And according to the New York Times 51 of the remaining Israeli hostages have been murdered too.
Remember the murdered were raped, tortured and mutilated as well.
Those killed in Gaza have been killed in a war started by Hamas who have used the civilian population as human shields and Hamas have repeatedly stated that they'll commit more pogroms until Israel doesn't exist and there are no more Jewish people left. And they've fired thousands of rockets into Israel since 7.10

How many dead children are acceptable to you? There are at least 12000 dead innocent children SO FAR. Would 50,000 be too many? How about 200,000 dead children. How many is too many?

Or do you just accept that Israel can keep murdering, maiming, and blowing to bits an unlimited amount of children?

There are children having limbs amputated without anaesthesia in Gaza.

You don't care about any of them.

1200 Israeli killed
30k Palestinians killed. Nearly 30 times
should Hamas go back to Israel and kill 30 times ? Eye for eye ? Is this how your world works
or is an Israeli life worth more than a Palestinian one to you. Don’t answer. I already know your “answer”

Hamas started this war.
They're the only ones who can stop it.
I suggest you start a petition demanding they do so.

Why don’t you start it yourself?

There has never been a country called Palestine.
The area now occupied by Gaza and the West Bank was part of the Ottoman empire prior to the British mandate.
The UK does not recognise any country called Palestine.
Israel was set up by the UN and by means of international law.
It is an internationally recognised country.
Why is there a refugee organisation after 75 years?

I don't believe they'd take any notice of it.
These people are Nazi terrorists, dedicated to the obliteration of Israel and the murder of all Jewish people.
They raped, mutilated, murdered and kidnapped. Then they fired thousands of rockets into Israel whilst claiming there was no fuel in Gaza.
I seriously doubt a petition would improve them.

If you only care about dead Jews and not dead Palestinians you are beyond help