Please do all you can to object to the genocide of Palestinians (Thread 2)

[EasterIssland]

Hi just realised that the other thread has reached max comments so opening this new one. Hope the other threads op doesn’t mind.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/4947625-please-do-all-you-can-to-object-to-the-genocide-of-palestinians

There are over 120 hostages being held by Hamas who have been subject to the most vile abuse, including rape.
Thousands of rockets have been fired into Israel by Hamas, an organisation which declares its aim to be the murder of every Jewish person and who have said they will repeat the pogrom of 7.10 until they've achieved that aim. Hamas started this war they have refused to surrender, they use hospitals and schools as terrorist hideouts and they have systematically robbed aid in order to pursue their terror campaign.
Hamas oppress the people of Gaza, especially the women and refuse to hold elections.
And yet........ it's Israel which is the problem?
Bizarre.

Really good reportage done by the guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2024/jan/30/how-war-destroyed-gazas-neighbourhoods-visual-investigation

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"27,000 dead & 67,000 wounded – 70% of whom are women & children. 1.7 million driven from their homes. 70% of the housing damaged or destroyed. Children facing starvation.

We cannot allow Netanyahu to continue his illegal, immoral war against the Palestinian people."

Bernie Sanders on Late Night With Seth Meyers.

Future is extremely worrying:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C271Q34Nsu-/?igsh=Yml2Y29wZWwycnN6

Re education on both sides is very important to ensure they move forward with a two state solution. With what this writer is saying with regards to right wing ideology amongst young people in Israel and the education we can imagine Hamas impacting peace is a long way away.

https://aje.io/rqzi5u Five people talking about what their life is currently like

Likewise to the 'genocide' brigade 🙄

That could come across in a whole manner of particularly unpleasant ways!!

Then again, anything to try to detract from the realities of the article....

This part is very interesting.

Because it's their home? Because for many of the people there, that's the only home they've ever known?

Seriously, your solution to a group of people experiencing persecution and oppression in their own homes is "why don't they move"?

Where is your empathy for fellow humans?

Ah, "luvvie lefties". I understand now.

There can be no peace until Hamas abandon their aims to annihilate both Israel and all Jewish people.
And the prospect of that, given that Gaza occupants are subject to anti semitic conditioning in their schools enabled by UNRWA employees thousands of whom are sympathetic to Hamas or members of Hamas, is very unlikely.

There can be no peace until Israel and Palestine realise the only way forward is to stop killing each other’s children, and stop destroying each other’s homes.

To carry on this cycle shows weakness.

Real strength and security will come from being able to stop, and from the realisation that when people are treated fairly, given agency over their lives, and a purpose that goes beyond survival, they are less likely to succumb to violence.

Actually, a lot of people I knew in Gaza were not subject to any form of conditioning.

And UNRWA is not some sinister anti-semitic organisation. It's an aid organisation. Allegations have been made about some employees - it's entirely right that those allegations are investigated and action taken if they are demonstrated to be correct, both in terms of consequences for individuals and wider strategic changes to prevent recurrence. However, we should not rush to pre-emptively call for the dismantling of one of the only organisations working in an area of humanitarian crisis. Thousands of people depend on UNRWA for survival.

When you talk about UNRWA employees and other people in Gaza in such a sweeping manner, please try to remember that some of us did know and care about people in Gaza as people. People that we knew, liked, worked with. And that you are tarring our dead loved ones with an unjustly applied label of anti-semitism.

"Seriously, your solution to a group of people experiencing persecution and oppression in their own homes is "why don't they move"?"

Why is that such an outrageous suggestion.?

People arrive here on our shores most weeks claiming to be suffering persecution and oppression. Are you saying they shouldn't be moving to escape that?

I worked with a guy who's father lived in Gaza when it was controlled by Egypt. He took advantage of the bursaries/grants made available to Gazans by Nasser's government and went to study Medicine at a University in Cairo. He eventually moved to UK and worked in a GP practice.

Are you saying that Palestinians have no agency?

Lots of people choose to move and travel. Most prefer to to stay in their homeland and don’t want to be forced out (as is happening in Gaza).

Why is that such an outrageous suggestion.?
People arriving in the UK to claim asylum status (75% of them are successful) are fleeing persecution by their own government or civil war; Palestinians by the Israeli government who also stop them from leaving. If they did manage to leave their land, they are not allowed to return, contrary to international laws.
That is why it is outrageous.

Israel doesn't control the Rafah Crossing, so they could leave via Egypt.

Israel indirectly controls the Rafah Crossing and Israeli fighter jets bombed the Rafah crossing while imposing stringent conditions on Egypt regarding the entry of humanitarian convoys.

Why don’t the people of Israel find a new home in another country? Probably because they don’t want to, and they shouldn’t have to. The same as many people in Gaza.

Maybe instead of responding to the terror attack by mass destruction, death and suffering, the people of Israel could have simply claimed asylum in another country.
Now, do you see how cruel and ignorant it is to suggest the people of Gaza are forced to leave.

Well said

That's rather simplistic, when it's Israel that's under threat of mass destruction.

What does 'indirectly' mean?

I wasn't talking about convoys, I was talking about people on foot/bikes or in cars.