To find the silence about UNRWA being Hamas hypocritical

[Muthaofcats]

I entirely understand the discomfort seeing images coming out of Gaza; but what I don’t get is those who choose to post about it on social media or campaign expressing their horror but being totally SILENT after October 7th (before Israeli had even responded), after evidence of the sexual violence suffered by those murdered in Israel and now, after finding out that UNWRA who they have all been sending donations to, are actually Hamas who perpetrated the atrocities.

Where is the outrage from these people at UNRWA?

Why are none of these vocal people not screaming from the roof tops at how horrendous this is !?! If it was true you care about humanity, why aren’t you horrified to learn you’ve all been donating to an organisation so closely linked to the rape and murder of innocent civilians ? (And this isn’t the first time unrwa has been linked to Hamas; their HQ is a Hamas building and they’ve famously been linked to training terrorists in their schools / got into hot water for removing the hollocaust from their curriculum)

if you are one of those white privileged women who posts on social media about a cease fire (I’m talking to those of you who have never been to the ME, or studied ME history and never taken up the cause of any of the other global conflicts); why is your outrage so one sided and blinkered ? Why don’t you acknowledge the horrors of the Israeli/ Jewish people too ? If you’re really the virtuous person you purport to be by taking up this cause, why don’t you care ? Or do you believe what Hamas did and are doing and promising to keep doing (murder all Jews) is justified ?

Genuinely find it bewildering.

Stop being fighty.
The hearing found there wasn't enough evidence yet to decide whether or not there was genocide, but was sufficiently concerned to put in place rulings to prevent genocide.

They also said the Israeli government needed to prevent and punish incitement to genocide, citing Israeli government ministers.

It was pretty shocking really. If there was no potential for genocide the court would have dismissed the case.

Thanks. UNWRA not getting aid isn't as bad as I'd feared then.

@AdamRyan UNWRA is mainly distribution, healthcare, education and at the moment sanitation.
However with 90% of the population displaced things are starting to fail fast.

Yes it’s always a cricket score with these left-wing Liberals- it’s got to be equal. It must be fair play! Run that by the Israeli pathologist who was looking at two fused sets of charred vertebrae- one large-one small and couldn’t at first figure it! Hamas had bound a father & child & set them alight!

Querying your understanding of international law is ‘fighty’ ? Is that a legal term?

You don’t care and don’t understand different perspectives ? What’s the point in entering into any dialogue then.

“oh well. I see how brown lives are worth less. “ proof positive you haven’t got a clue about Israel,the ME or probably North London! Ethiopian Jews with whom I ride the bus everyday - are not white & privileged neither are Yemeni,Iraqi,Egyptian,Syrian,Lebanese or Georgian Jews! And please note Jews from Arab lands were expelled,faced pogroms,death & appropriation of property.This has never been addressed by the UN. But to borrow a phrase from the late Count Basie these Jews are black, brown & beige!

I work for an organisation with around 10,000 employees and in the past 6 months we have dismissed 3 people from different areas of our business for being convicted of sexual offenses against children.

Should we be closed down? Defunded? Are we responsible for the actions of these people? We were made aware and took appropriate action.

The 12 UNWRA workers alleged to have taken part in 7.10 as claimed by Israel through ‘interrogation’ have been dismissed and an investigation is taking place. Defunding the main organisation that supplies humanitarian aid to 2.3 million people experiencing unimaginable suffering is unconscionable and collective punishment. It is also completely contrary to the recommendations set out by the ICJ.

I am appalled by our government and every other that has withdrawn aid but continue to support bombing civilians.

This equates to approximately 62 truck a day when it is estimated 500 are needed to meet the needs of the population. According to Oxfam 100 trucks of aid per day were entering gaza prior to 7.10. It is nowhere near enough.

The Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC) Famine Review Committee (FRC) was activated on 11 December 2023, due to catastrophic food shortages. To declare a full famine you have to wait until 1 in 3 children have malnutrition and 4 in 10,000 have died of starvation.

https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/gaza-strip-famine-review-ipc-analysis-conclusions-and-recommendations

Does the suspension of UNRWA funding mean that other’s who work for the organisation are at risk of losing their jobs? I assume that people are still getting a wage at the moment?? I know that there is practically nothing of any use to buy in the shops and that prices are inflated. I’m trying to understand the implications of this. Perhaps somebody with more knowledge can enlighten me.

Well hamas have again fucked over the Gazan people.
They taught hate in un funded schools to provide cannon fodder for a declaration of war that was years in the planning that has brought a rain of destruction on innocent and guilty alike...well done them.
But still there are useful idiots who support them from afar because they don't have to live with the consequences.
The least they could do is distribute some of the aid they're accused of hoarding.

Agree. Hamas fucked around and found out, and have destroyed any serious hope for peace. If they wanted aid to reach the Palestinians, perhaps they shouldn't have massacred innocent Israelis?

Hamas massively misjudged the Israeli response, and have radicalised an entire generation of Israelis who will no longer give them the benefit of the doubt. The Gaza Strip has been reduced to rubble. Hezbollah will now think twice about doing anything in the north of Israel because it's pretty clear Israel will retaliate by turning southern Lebanon into a slag heap.

Most of the Middle East is wishing Hamas and the likes would just go away. The Emirates have spent decades developing a modern economy and are in no rush to associate themselves with terrorists; even Saudi Arabia is prepared to normalise relationships with Israel. Egypt, Jordan and others have already been bitten by Hamas. Any aid given to the Palestines by ME states is absolutely dwarfed by aid from the US - and there are many countries in the ME that could finance the rebuilding Gaza from scratch and barely notice it.

I suspect Hamas got exactly the response they were hoping for.
This has never been about the needs or welfare of ‘their’ people. They have one stated aim and that is the destruction of Israel. Their failure to install any basic infrastructure over the years since Israel handed Gaza over to them (they removed the existing water pipes and used them as missiles!) , and their plans to embed themselves into society (using hospitals and schools as military bases in direct contravention with international law) and use people as human shields tells you everything you need to know about their intentions. They have refused ceasefires and refused to give back the hostages as they know the war will continue as long as they keep them.

The ‘aid’ going into Gaza is being commandeered by Hamas, whilst people starve and suffer.

Your bleeding hearts for the Palestinian children caught up in this are understandable, but stop funding and making excuses for terrorists and let’s start to think of United ways we can remove Hamas from causing any more harm to all parties involved. This isn’t by sending them more money!

I have never understood why there is not a United enemy in this conflict. People seem to hate Jews more than they hate terrorist rapists.

There is no excuse great enough to justify the killing of 10,000 children.

I would speak out for the children in Israel, if it was the other way around, and our government was supporting their demise.

It’s heartening to see you would speak out for the children of Israel. I spent last week end with thousands of displaced Israeli kids who are refugees in their own country post October 7. How about you organise an anti Hamas protest or rally re: the deaths of Palestinian children? Hamas thrives on the numbers game & misinformation. We know them! We live next door. But whatever you do would be a start!

@Umyisraelchai No, I don't think there's any reason to state that Palestinians love their children any less than anyone else. This is just silly. We are all humans and feel just the same, no one ethnicity is uniquely unfeeling towards their children. This is a racist point of view.

I'd like to know what the plan is to maintain aid assistance. Gaza is challenging, since it's been reported more aid workers have been killed there than in other conflicts, as well as hospitals and aid buildings. There needs to be a plan to ensure aid can be safely delivered and aid workers protected, while the investigation and defunding of UNWRA is carried out. I've not heard any suggestions from countries withdrawing funding as to what the alternatives are.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2024/01/28/exp-chris-gunness-guest-seg-012804aseg2-cnni-world.cnn

I'm hiding the thread now as I have nothing to add to someone with a moral blind spot for the suffering of two million people trapped in Gaza.

No "United enemy" due to "Jew Hate" my arse.

Yep sounds like your energies could be best spent elsewhere to be honest if you take such offence at my (and many other people’s) shock and horror at unrwa’s links to Hamas and people’s failure to speak out in condemnation of this. You seem to be demonstrating a gross failure in critical reasoning skills to deduce from this thread that I or anyone else cannot hold this view without dismissing the plight of anyone affected in Palestine. It is a perfect example of the black or white thinking that is so ignorant and dangerous.

If you look at the responses to the Israeli-Hamas conflict versus the Syrian genocide (no protests or marches in the streets there on anywhere near the same scale) or the Uyghurs, it's no surprise why people feel there's a lot of anti-semitism around. Why is this conflict getting so much more airtime?

I would say because it's the "new" thing.

They'll soon move on to protesting about something else

The ‘new’ thing, or the ‘jew’ thing !?

But that doesn't happen! Every demonstration has added pro palestine/anti israel themes....
For example: LBQTI movements now have "Queers for Palestine " marches - not understanding that they would be killed in the very place they are protesting for, and those countries that support hamas. As a non "straight" person they would be killed and tortured without thought or question.