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Conflict in the Middle East

To find the silence about UNRWA being Hamas hypocritical

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Muthaofcats · 28/01/2024 07:35

I entirely understand the discomfort seeing images coming out of Gaza; but what I don’t get is those who choose to post about it on social media or campaign expressing their horror but being totally SILENT after October 7th (before Israeli had even responded), after evidence of the sexual violence suffered by those murdered in Israel and now, after finding out that UNWRA who they have all been sending donations to, are actually Hamas who perpetrated the atrocities.

Where is the outrage from these people at UNRWA?

Why are none of these vocal people not screaming from the roof tops at how horrendous this is !?! If it was true you care about humanity, why aren’t you horrified to learn you’ve all been donating to an organisation so closely linked to the rape and murder of innocent civilians ? (And this isn’t the first time unrwa has been linked to Hamas; their HQ is a Hamas building and they’ve famously been linked to training terrorists in their schools / got into hot water for removing the hollocaust from their curriculum)

if you are one of those white privileged women who posts on social media about a cease fire (I’m talking to those of you who have never been to the ME, or studied ME history and never taken up the cause of any of the other global conflicts); why is your outrage so one sided and blinkered ? Why don’t you acknowledge the horrors of the Israeli/ Jewish people too ? If you’re really the virtuous person you purport to be by taking up this cause, why don’t you care ? Or do you believe what Hamas did and are doing and promising to keep doing (murder all Jews) is justified ?

Genuinely find it bewildering.

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Arafina · 28/01/2024 19:15

cindyhove · 28/01/2024 19:10

I'm just pointing out that even the aid is being sold to the population. It is being stolen and sold on before those who need it can get it

Yes and it needs to be investigated but stopping the funding for the aid is not going to help feed the hungry in fact it will just push black market prices up and ensure more deaths as there will be less of it to go around, god knows they've got so little as it stands

cindyhove · 28/01/2024 19:16

It'll still happen

racoonsinbins · 28/01/2024 19:18

@Elichmoon trust me I hate Hamas. But this war will NOT get rid of Hamas. It will just brutalise and traumatise an already angry and dispossessed population who will be easy pickings for Hamas mark 2. No military action has ever been successful in destroying a locally-grown terrorist group. No-one believes this will bring peace, and do you really think the Palestinians would feel this was a price they were willing to pay? This needs to be dealt with long term political strategies, which no-one pretends will be easy, but the continuation of this war will create conflict and misery for both Palestinians and Israelis.

cindyhove · 28/01/2024 19:31

I can't argue with that!

Dulra · 28/01/2024 19:32

cindyhove · 28/01/2024 19:16

It'll still happen

Let's just give up so.

I really don't understand how you and others are constantly discrediting the aid effort. No it's not perfect, yes there are huge issues with it but have you seen the state of Gaza recently? The fact that anything is getting through is nothing short of a miracle and constantly picking holes in the effort without actually offering any solution to ensuring people do not starve to death is not very productive. No one thinks any of this is perfect and functioning as it should be and as we'd like but surely priority should be trying to prevent a famine

cindyhove · 28/01/2024 19:34

As have Hamas
After they destroyed it the first time on October 7th

cindyhove · 28/01/2024 19:45

The only way is for hamas to stop killing Israelis and stop sending rockets

stormy4319trevor · 28/01/2024 19:50

cindyhove · 28/01/2024 19:45

The only way is for hamas to stop killing Israelis and stop sending rockets

A bilateral ceasefire then.

quantumbutterfly · 28/01/2024 19:52

& return of hostages & bodies 😔

cindyhove · 28/01/2024 19:53

Yup

stormy4319trevor · 28/01/2024 19:53

@quantumbutterfly yes

cindyhove · 28/01/2024 19:53

Absolutely! Without that there is no end...

Elichmoon · 28/01/2024 20:05

racoonsinbins · 28/01/2024 19:18

@Elichmoon trust me I hate Hamas. But this war will NOT get rid of Hamas. It will just brutalise and traumatise an already angry and dispossessed population who will be easy pickings for Hamas mark 2. No military action has ever been successful in destroying a locally-grown terrorist group. No-one believes this will bring peace, and do you really think the Palestinians would feel this was a price they were willing to pay? This needs to be dealt with long term political strategies, which no-one pretends will be easy, but the continuation of this war will create conflict and misery for both Palestinians and Israelis.

I don't disagree this is a worry but a large percentage of the population, including children are radicalised already. A lot of work will need to be done anyway post war to combat this and de-scale the threat. If Gaza can be a democratic, eventually prospering economy that will go a long way to help. Israel can't live with this threat anymore on their borders after 7/10 so they don't have much choice at the moment. They are doing what they can to minimise civilian casualties ( hence the high number of deaths of IDF soldiers). They could do everything from the air if they didn't care.

queenofarles · 28/01/2024 20:24

trucks take up to 5 days to be vetted before crossing the border , this type of prolonged process is nothing but a pressure tactic , a very cruel form of collective punishment , the goal is To make the place as uninhabited as possible so people spill out to other countries.

Daniela Weiss openly said earlier at a settlement event "if we don’t give them food they will have to leave". She is openly admitting the withholding of aid and condoning starvation as a form of punishment , and it’s not just Weiss speaking , other members of the government like Ben Gvir agree with this sentiment "we need to encourage immigration from Gaza" Gvir said ,
no idea why no one is actually reporting on this.

Dulra · 28/01/2024 20:28

They are doing what they can to minimise civilian casualties
@Elichmoon so why are they under investigation for genocide?

Muthaofcats · 28/01/2024 20:36

Dulra · 28/01/2024 20:28

They are doing what they can to minimise civilian casualties
@Elichmoon so why are they under investigation for genocide?

There has been zero finding of genocide; in fact the IcJ ruled israel has a right to defend themselves and explicitly did not order a ceasefire…. Whether israel has acted proportionately or not in defending themselves will take years for them to decide and be based on analysis of the evidence, not what bots and bigots say on TikTok.

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NerdWhoEatsMedlar · 28/01/2024 20:42

Muthaofcats · 28/01/2024 20:36

There has been zero finding of genocide; in fact the IcJ ruled israel has a right to defend themselves and explicitly did not order a ceasefire…. Whether israel has acted proportionately or not in defending themselves will take years for them to decide and be based on analysis of the evidence, not what bots and bigots say on TikTok.

Did you miss the ICJ hearing?

If there was zero finding of genocide, there would be no provisional measures.

Elichmoon · 28/01/2024 20:43

Muthaofcats · 28/01/2024 20:36

There has been zero finding of genocide; in fact the IcJ ruled israel has a right to defend themselves and explicitly did not order a ceasefire…. Whether israel has acted proportionately or not in defending themselves will take years for them to decide and be based on analysis of the evidence, not what bots and bigots say on TikTok.

I just typed a post whole out and lost it but now I'll just say ^^^yeah that. The war is legal and Israel will continue operating as it has and should to defend it's people against terrorists.

Dulra · 28/01/2024 20:56

Israel has to report back to the icj in a month let's see what happens if they continue operating as it has @Elichmoon they've been ordered to do everything they can to reduce the number of civilian deaths which is not possible if they continue operating as they have

stormy4319trevor · 28/01/2024 20:57

@Elichmoon I don't know about them doing everything by air. I think they need to be on the ground to direct the movement of people, search for hostages, detain and arrest, find evidence and occupy and control the conquered areas. They don't have the option to keep bombing until everyone is dead, also I think the rest of the world and the hostages' families may object to such an approach. So the presence of ground troops is not evidence of trying to reduce civilian casualties, in my opinion.

PeasfullPerson · 28/01/2024 21:26

People, in my opinion, were quieter because they trusted there would be an effective response to October 7th.

I don’t really care if you are bewildered, and can’t understand this situation from a different perspective.

I care about all the people being killed, starved, subjected to disease, and displaced in Gaza. I care about the hostages that are being used as human pawns. I care about people being treated like second class citizens in the West Bank.

I don’t care how you decide to categorise and discredit the women on here who want to speak up against this. Please, tell me what criteria we need to meet to have a voice?

AdamRyan · 28/01/2024 23:11

This thread is horrific and I'm not sure what the intention was of the poster who started it.

Anyway. Does anyone know what other charities are operating in Gaza to distribute aid? I thought UNWRA was the main one so I'm not sure how aid will be getting distributed now.

NerdWhoEatsMedlar · 28/01/2024 23:13

@AdamRyan Red Crescent are the ones who are allowed to take in through the Rafah gate

Muthaofcats · 28/01/2024 23:14

NerdWhoEatsMedlar · 28/01/2024 20:42

Did you miss the ICJ hearing?

If there was zero finding of genocide, there would be no provisional measures.

Bless. Sounds like perhaps you missed it? Or couldn’t understand what was going on if you think that the interim measures ‘found genocide’.

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NerdWhoEatsMedlar · 28/01/2024 23:17

The Egyptian Red Crescent Society (ERCS) is at the forefront of the humanitarian response in Gaza, with support from over 35 countries and UN agencies.

It's the only agency with permanent access in Sinai and is facilitating the aid delivered by all local and international agencies, playing a key role in facilitating food, water and medicines across the Rafah crossing.

The humanitarian aid is then received by the Palestine Red Crescent Society on the other side of the border and transported to UNRWA warehouses in Gaza.

As of the 6 January, the Egypt Red Crescent Society had delivered 5,625 trucks to Gaza. The Palestine Red Crescent Society then distributed 3,833 of these trucks and allocated 1,742 to UNRWA and other humanitarian agencies.

https://www.redcross.org.uk/stories/disasters-and-emergencies/world/whats-happening-in-gaza-humanitarian-crisis-grows

What's happening in Gaza? A desperate humanitarian crisis

A desperate humanitarian crisis is unfolding in the Gaza Strip. There is widespread suffering, vital aid is running out and thousands of people are displaced.

https://www.redcross.org.uk/stories/disasters-and-emergencies/world/whats-happening-in-gaza-humanitarian-crisis-grows

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