To find the silence about UNRWA being Hamas hypocritical

[Muthaofcats]

I entirely understand the discomfort seeing images coming out of Gaza; but what I don’t get is those who choose to post about it on social media or campaign expressing their horror but being totally SILENT after October 7th (before Israeli had even responded), after evidence of the sexual violence suffered by those murdered in Israel and now, after finding out that UNWRA who they have all been sending donations to, are actually Hamas who perpetrated the atrocities.

Where is the outrage from these people at UNRWA?

Why are none of these vocal people not screaming from the roof tops at how horrendous this is !?! If it was true you care about humanity, why aren’t you horrified to learn you’ve all been donating to an organisation so closely linked to the rape and murder of innocent civilians ? (And this isn’t the first time unrwa has been linked to Hamas; their HQ is a Hamas building and they’ve famously been linked to training terrorists in their schools / got into hot water for removing the hollocaust from their curriculum)

if you are one of those white privileged women who posts on social media about a cease fire (I’m talking to those of you who have never been to the ME, or studied ME history and never taken up the cause of any of the other global conflicts); why is your outrage so one sided and blinkered ? Why don’t you acknowledge the horrors of the Israeli/ Jewish people too ? If you’re really the virtuous person you purport to be by taking up this cause, why don’t you care ? Or do you believe what Hamas did and are doing and promising to keep doing (murder all Jews) is justified ?

Genuinely find it bewildering.

But it is certainly a reason why some countries in the West need to continue with that funding.

Well yes, but handing it to a proscribed terrorist organisation is a no-no. Which is one of the reasons why the Houthis haven't been designated as terrorists - so that we can more easily provide aid to Yemen.

@noblegiraffe - the question was where are the large muslim country donations - I was answering it.

Saudi has also provided a large amount of aid for the current conflict.
The UK and others will want to continue to be major donors because foreign aid has very little to do with philanthropy - it's all about "soft" power, control and security, and I'm sure we'll want to keep our oar in.

They've also housed the leaders of Hamas so perhaps they are cleaning up their own mess.

true but according to Liberman, it’s a mutual agreement ,

This excerpt is from the times of Isreal . 2020, ;

On Wednesday two weeks ago the head of Mossad… and the head of [IDF] Southern Command visit Qatar on an errand from Netanyahu, and they simply beg the Qataris to keep sending money to Hamas after March 30. The Qataris have said they will stop sending money on March 30,” Liberman said.

With Israel’s approval, Qatar since 2018 has periodically provided millions of dollars in cash to Hamas to pay for fuel for the Strip’s power plant, allow the group to pay its civil servants and provide aid

technically it’s Netanyahu’s mess,

Sounds like you are unhappy in the west. Go live somewhere else

What are those refugee rights? Is there an obligation for other countries to take them, and how is their destination decided? Are they guaranteed a right of return to their homes, do you know?

We don't countenance defunding the NHS or met because we know it would be disastrous for our health and safety. It's throwing the baby out with the bathwater, I think.

Exactly, unfortunately so many seem to have no qualms about throwing thousands of babies out with the bathwater, I don't know how they sleep at night

Nobody wants to "throw the babies out with the bathwater"

Unfortunately UNWRA is/has been corrupt for a long time. They do not put any measures in place to stop hammas stealing and then selling the goods that are broody into gaza. Have you seen the latest "prices" for tents etc??

@cindyhove I prefer to see the results of an investigation before I decide it's worth denying aid to the entire population.

Aid is still going on on a daily basis

@cindyhove Do you expect that to continue if UNWRA loses major donors?

High market prices is a well-known sign of insufficient aid. No-one can pretend sufficient is getting into Gaza.

There has been issues with aid getting through from the outset which has been well documented. How are you so confident in this statement? Maybe some aid is getting through but definitely not enough to sustain the population. Definitely not enough medical supplies, children are having amputations with no anaesthetics at the moment, that is inhumane in the extreme. I think it is so insulting to the Gazan population to suggest aid is getting through on a daily basis as if we should all just accept that and move on!

Perhaps if Hamas didn’t steal it?

If there is only a trickle of aid it will get stolen - that is sadly the same the world over and I've seen it happen in a number of countries. The only way is to ensure there is enough so it looses it's value on the market.

Stating facts! Did I say it was enough? No I didn't.

I am curious though about all the other conflicts in the world - how many of of one side are giving aid to the other?

@cindyhove I can't think off hand of any where the population is trapped in a small area with their borders controlled by the opposing side.

And egypt! Not just israel borders gaza

Seeing children eating soup that frankly looks like dishwater has a longer lasting impression on me than the corruption that's going on, obviously it needs to be investigated but it's hardly the priority right now, they are dying in front of your eyes and you're going on about the price of tents, unbelievable

I'm just pointing out that even the aid is being sold to the population. It is being stolen and sold on before those who need it can get it

Exactly this...Israel has been reporting corruption in UNWRA for years. Most of the aid meant for Gazan people doesn't actually get to the people it's intended for because Hamas has such reach and influences on the general population. One of the released Israeli hostages was held captive in an UNWRA teacher's home for a period. The fact that all the western ( mainly left wing women) chanting "free Palestine" on marches aren't outraged and posting about this is just so weird to me. They would rather support terrorists...the best hope that Gazan people have is the IDF. If they can get rid of Hamas and there is a democratic government installed everyone's life's will be better. Israeli's don't like being fired at by rockets daily either even if their govt. have better defence systems. I think a large part of the population will need to be de-radicilised though, what children have been taught in schools in Gaza, as well as the actual terrorist training camps for children there will take a long time to undo. The cheering of the "ordinary" Gazans in the streets post Oct 7th chilled me, how can people be so de-sensitived to human suffering....a young boy and women paraded and taunted through the streets to cheers🤢. The worst terrorist attack since 9/11 and a lot of the western left seem to be supporting the terrorists. Its hard not to see it as anti-Semitism, otherwise where were all the marches for Syria for example? People only march when Jewish people defend themselves against genocide?

but Israel control what gets through and whether it will be bombed or not

Why don’t Egypt or any of the other Arabic countries want anything to do with them I wonder ?

@cindyhove all imports through the Rafah crossing require Israeli approval.

It is actually quite difficult. Israel has bombed the crossing several times. At one point António Guterres used himself as a human shield to get aid trucks through.