To find the silence about UNRWA being Hamas hypocritical

[Muthaofcats]

I entirely understand the discomfort seeing images coming out of Gaza; but what I don’t get is those who choose to post about it on social media or campaign expressing their horror but being totally SILENT after October 7th (before Israeli had even responded), after evidence of the sexual violence suffered by those murdered in Israel and now, after finding out that UNWRA who they have all been sending donations to, are actually Hamas who perpetrated the atrocities.

Where is the outrage from these people at UNRWA?

Why are none of these vocal people not screaming from the roof tops at how horrendous this is !?! If it was true you care about humanity, why aren’t you horrified to learn you’ve all been donating to an organisation so closely linked to the rape and murder of innocent civilians ? (And this isn’t the first time unrwa has been linked to Hamas; their HQ is a Hamas building and they’ve famously been linked to training terrorists in their schools / got into hot water for removing the hollocaust from their curriculum)

if you are one of those white privileged women who posts on social media about a cease fire (I’m talking to those of you who have never been to the ME, or studied ME history and never taken up the cause of any of the other global conflicts); why is your outrage so one sided and blinkered ? Why don’t you acknowledge the horrors of the Israeli/ Jewish people too ? If you’re really the virtuous person you purport to be by taking up this cause, why don’t you care ? Or do you believe what Hamas did and are doing and promising to keep doing (murder all Jews) is justified ?

Genuinely find it bewildering.

Yes - I completely agree. It’s heartbreaking to read about the situation in Gaza.
Every right minded person would agree that they are living in a nightmare.
I don’t think I phrased my post very well. I was just trying to show that both sides are feeling under threat. I’ve never minimised the suffering of people in Gaza .

This is a thread about hypocrisy. The OP said why is your outrage so one sided and blinkered ? Why don’t you acknowledge the horrors of the Israeli/ Jewish people too ? If you’re really the virtuous person you purport to be by taking up this cause, why don’t you care ?

I'm asking the OP to examine her own reactions for hypocrisy. Did she behave with the same level of outrage at the news of Hinds 15year cousin and family being shot dead in a car while fleeing in front of 6 year old Hind, then Hind being left alone with her dead family for hours until the line went dead and she was never heard from again as she would if it happened to an Israeli family. I think it is a fair question given the thread topic OP chose.

There is so much projection going on here.

The people claiming others are hypocrites, are the ones who are trying to justify the deaths of over 27,000 people, as just one of those things that happens in war. You don’t appear to care about the suffering of Palestinians, you take any empathy shown towards them as an affront, because you seem to believe Jewish people matter more.

You seem incapable, or unwilling, to consider any factors that may lead people to speak out more about the ongoing mass destruction of Gaza, other than that they must be antisemitic. That you go around trying to bully people into talking about 7th October and the hostages all the time, and that our government is so biased, actually puts me off displaying my honest horror at their situation and what happened.

Syria? Western nations have funded and provided political military and logistical support to the opposition and it's associated rebel groups. Al Assad is completely ostracised by the West and his actions continually condemned. Many countries have taken in Syrian refugees and continue to fund humanitarian aid. I'm not sure why you are using Syria as an example to compare with Israel? People are holding Israel to account because unlike in Syria many nations are supporting and militarily funding Israel.
In the case of Saudi Arabia there are many voices raising their human rights issues but unfortunately money talks so international support to do something about it is not there.

I can only speak for myself but the reason I'm personally steering well clear of the Hind thread is because it's absolutely full of people accepting 100% conjecture as gospel. People didn't learn anything from the whole "500 dead at a hospital" thing, did they? I will comment on it once there's something to comment on, and in the meanwhile I will hope that she is ok while fearing the worst. Just like I do about the Bibas family. I will not comment on a thread full of awful assumptions and hatred.

With regards to UNRWA, it's only those of you who only started caring about Palestinians within the last few months who will be even remotely surprised that their leading aid agency consists of terrorists. There are articles and reports from literally 20 years ago about the very same thing, ones that even name some of the terrorists and go into details about how they transported weapons and terrorists in ambulances etc. None of this is new, so the minimising of it is incredibly weird.

You are more sensible than me. I agree with your stance.
The whole situation is horrific and no peace loving person wants it.

@Humdingerydoo well said.

So are you are saying the same thing that lots of people have said on this thread? You think an independent investigation should be carried out to find out what happened to Hind, her family and the aid workers? The members if the IDF who were there at the time and Israel should know who they are should be suspended until this investigation is carried out and the full whereabouts of Hind and the aid workers, and the cause of death of her family is determined? Do you think this will happen? Do you think the entire IDF should be defunded by foreign backers until this happens?

I know lots of people on this thread have repeatedly said that investigations should of course be carried out into UNRWA, the employees that Israel pointed the finger at were immediately fired with no investigation. To add to this Israel are given the chance to vet all UNWRA employees every year, I think that this is more than fair and UNWRA did give a list of their employees to Israel just a few months before 7/10 and Israel did not flag up any links to terrorist groups from any of the employees.

I'm saying that at this point we don't even know that the IDF are responsible for Hind's disappearance but that an investigation needs to take place. As Israelis are only all too aware, the not knowing what's happened to your loved ones is the worst part. I hope her family get answers and I hope they get those answers within hours, not days, weeks or months. It's been too many days already.

UNRWA containing terrorists is a long-standing issue. One the UN didn't do anything about until last week, despite literally decades of proof of terrorist activities within UNRWA.

I'm not sure why you're so insistent on comparing Hind's disappearance to terrorists within UNRWA. I'm not sure what "GOTCHA!" moment it is you're trying to orchestrate? Why can't her disappearance be an absolute travesty and UNRWA aiding terrorists also be considered a travesty? Why can't we just be outraged about both?

You don’t appreciate me calling Hamas Islamist extremist terrorists?

Why do you identify with Hamas? Or find it offensive that I describe them in the way they are internationally recognised (and self proclaimed!)

Every single Muslim I know would see what Hamas have done and continue to do as completely contrary to what they stand for.

OK but the accusations against the IDF also go back decades, wrongful killings, torture, sexual assault. That too is a long standing issue why has that not been dealt with? Not even this week has it been dealt with?

UNRWA vet all of their employees and they give Israel the chance to do the same. Why is Israel not flagging all of these terrorists if it is a long standing issue?

Of course you can be outraged by both. The title of the thread was hypocrisy. The OP is looking for people to be shouting from the rooftops about unproven claims. I'm asking her is she shouting from the rooftops too? Going by her logic she should be shouting about Hind even though we don't know what happened to her, she expects us to shout about UNRWA even though we don't know what happened there.

@Muthaofcats I don't think I've articulated my point well so that's probably why you've misunderstood it.

I don't identify with Hamas.

UNRWA containing terrorists is a long-standing issue. One the UN didn't do anything about until last week, despite literally decades of proof of terrorist activities within UNRWA.
@Humdingerydoo

I really don't think this is fair. As has been pointed Israel get a list of UNWRA employees every year to vet and they sign off so if there are terrorists infiltrating the organisation they are getting by Israeli vetting procedures too. UNWRA is a massive employer with employees working in extremely difficult, volatile, danger situations as you know many have lost their lives over the past few months. The employees that have been accused have been dismissed and a full investigation launched. The people of Gaza though don't have the time to wait for this investigation they are dying now aid needs to continue to get through. What is the alternative?

@Dulra I am sure I read that unwra called out Hamas for leaving weapons and tunnelling under facilities and then swiftly deleted it.

They're getting through vetting procedures but then when Israel says "hey, UNRWA, why are there rocket launchers in your refugee camps? And why are your teachers teaching children that all of Israel will one day be Palestine, from the river to the sea?" why don't UNRWA take it seriously and do something about it?

Yes, Gaza does need aid now. I don't know what the answer is. Maybe if the world stops minimising by saying things like "it's only a small, insignificant percentage of UNRWA that are Hamas" and accept, without any buts, that there is some truth to Israel's claims from the last few decades and promise to deal with it thoroughly once the war is over, countries will be more ok with the idea of UNRWA continuing for now? With a promise in place that it actually will be dealt with after, and not just dismissed like has happened previously. I really don't know.

Yes, Gaza does need aid now. I don't know what the answer is. Maybe if the world stops minimising by saying things like "it's only a small, insignificant percentage of UNRWA that are Hamas" and accept, without any buts, that there is some truth to Israel's claims from the last few decades and promise to deal with it thoroughly once the war is over, countries will be more ok with the idea of UNRWA continuing for now? With a promise in place that it actually will be dealt with after, and not just dismissed like has happened previously. I really don't know.
@Humdingerydoo Agree with this but they haven't done that, the big funders have halted aid altogether which I feel is signing people's death warrants and that is an horrific situation.

Yes but likewise, people are still continuously minimising Israel's concerns about UNRWA. Completely dismissing them, in fact.

Anyway, on a personal level - I hope the world manages to somehow get sufficient aid to the people in Gaza. And then I hope in the future that no aid will be required because of a successful and thriving two state solution.

Hamas is the government of Gaza.
Hamas are terrorists. Are the IDF terrorists?

But for the hard of thinking, is Syria held to the same standard as Israel? Or Saudi Arabia.
Yep.

The title of the thread was hypocrisy. The OP is looking for people to be shouting from the rooftops about unproven claims. I'm asking her is she shouting from the rooftops too? Going by her logic she should be shouting about Hind even though we don't know what happened to her, she expects us to shout about UNRWA even though we don't know what happened there

I see what you mean - Hinds case has received very little coverage in the mainstream media (I don’t know about social media as I don’t really use it). Not every aspect of the war is going to make headlines. My understanding was that UNRWA dealt with the employees that were members of Hamas rather than trying to cover for them but I may have got that wrong.

@Fussandmisery so but that's rubbish. The response to the unicef campaign for Syrian children has been minimal compared to Gaza. Selective handwringing.

The response to the unicef campaign for Syrian children has been minimal compared to Gaza. Selective handwringing

I assumed she was talking about response (public opinion or whatever) to their governments.

I think the difference is no-one is trying to force people to approve of the regime in Syria say, whereas some people would like Israel to be considered beyond reproach. Also Israel is an ally of the West and may actually be judged more harshly (by people in the west) because of that.

Also Israel is an ally of the West and may actually be judged more harshly (by people in the west) because of that.

Nope. Try again.

Nope. Try again.
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