To find the silence about UNRWA being Hamas hypocritical

[Muthaofcats]

I entirely understand the discomfort seeing images coming out of Gaza; but what I don’t get is those who choose to post about it on social media or campaign expressing their horror but being totally SILENT after October 7th (before Israeli had even responded), after evidence of the sexual violence suffered by those murdered in Israel and now, after finding out that UNWRA who they have all been sending donations to, are actually Hamas who perpetrated the atrocities.

Where is the outrage from these people at UNRWA?

Why are none of these vocal people not screaming from the roof tops at how horrendous this is !?! If it was true you care about humanity, why aren’t you horrified to learn you’ve all been donating to an organisation so closely linked to the rape and murder of innocent civilians ? (And this isn’t the first time unrwa has been linked to Hamas; their HQ is a Hamas building and they’ve famously been linked to training terrorists in their schools / got into hot water for removing the hollocaust from their curriculum)

if you are one of those white privileged women who posts on social media about a cease fire (I’m talking to those of you who have never been to the ME, or studied ME history and never taken up the cause of any of the other global conflicts); why is your outrage so one sided and blinkered ? Why don’t you acknowledge the horrors of the Israeli/ Jewish people too ? If you’re really the virtuous person you purport to be by taking up this cause, why don’t you care ? Or do you believe what Hamas did and are doing and promising to keep doing (murder all Jews) is justified ?

Genuinely find it bewildering.

Despite them parading bodies alive and dead in the street on 7/10.

Thanks for the added context, it goes to show that what Hamas’ explicit aims are and what the Palestinians want are not necessarily aligned. A terrorist dictatorship is not a democracy.

I had read that many Palestinians have lost hope that the two state solution is achievable since the Oslo Accords failed.

Well yes, but it’s amazing what people will believe! I’m sure some people still believe that the IDF are the most moral army in the world. It’s not the first time a population has ever been led to support crimes against humanity or support a political cause which will actually make them worse off.

The poll stated 85% hadn’t seen any videos and 93% don’t believe Hamas did any atrocties. So means the 481 polled probably didn’t witness any of that.

We are talking several cities worth of people.

That’s true. Remember the article about two mothers, one Palestinian and one Israeli- each photographed with a dead child in their arms killed by this war and both getting the same hateful responses from people from the opposite side of the war- that their child is a doll, they are crisis actors, it is fake…didn’t happen.

Very sobering what people will and will not believe when they are in the middle of a war.

I think it has to be remembered as well that for those in Gaza like it or not Hamas are the only people who they feel can protect them. They don't have an army, they don't have anything. It is just them against a country that has sworn to kill them all. They have begged the West to help but all the big players in the West want to do is keep supporting their deaths. I don't blame anyone in Gaza for supporting Hamas. I also wouldn't blame them for seeing Hamas as the only hope for the end of Israels occupation and blockade. They have tried peaceful means and all it did was get them killed. They are between a rock and a hard place. No Hamas = bad things, Hamas = bad things. There really is no light at the end of the tunnel for them.

Here- both sides- denial of deaths of children.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67760523

This is very true...

Yeah, in the shoes of both sides on the ground, is a Gazan view of supporting Hamas but not war crimes that much different from Israelis supporting IDF but not war crimes?

I was referring to the post that I quoted as it didn't state in there the number apparently asked, that was all.

I suppose it is easy for those of us that are not there in Israel, Gaza. For those in it, they both seem to feel like Hamas/IDF are the line between them and an existential threat to them, their families, everything.

Oh yes, everything always seems much simpler from the outside, and for those who have lost family members, children, I can’t imagine that logic would be your guide. It’s unbearable to even begin to imagine the pain.
It’s so sad this fear and pain is being utilised by people in power, to keep themselves in power, and in turn it makes everything worse. This isn’t what they would do if they truly wanted to help the ordinary people who end up suffering in wars. Or maybe they believe they are helping, but their ego is so huge they believe they must stay in power to help, at whatever the cost is to anyone else.

I would be curious to know what would happen if Israel said give up Hamas, release the hostages and we will leave you alone. Not just stop killing you right now but that's it now, forever we are done. No more blockade, we will pay to rebuild all that we have destroyed, we will get rid of the settlers on the West Bank and you can move freely between both, you can do what you like we will keep out of your business. Right now there is this huge uncertainty and fear. Even when this conflict ends what then? Is it back to life under Israels blockade? Is it back to settlements? What comes next? Where is the incentive to give up Hamas when they will more than likely be just swapping this hell for another one. I'm willing to bet that if Palestinians were told you can be free, we will end this blockade, end this occupation that poll results would read very differently.

No, that is not what you said at all ~ you quoted my post, which did not contain that word at all.

You are now back, yet again.

The posts made by the poster have been deleted now so no, I don't expect it to make a great deal of sense!

It was quite apparent considering the post it was in response to.

UN chief appoints an independent panel to assess the UNRWA

www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/5/un-chief-appoints-independent-panel-to-assess-unrwa?traffic_source=rss

I know what word @BackandForthRoundandRound is referring to and she never said it in her post or insinuated it. Let's move on now @evilresidentfour

Thank you

Channel 4 news reporting on UNWRA at the moment. Apparently Israel get a list of UNWRA employees every year and vet them themselves. UNWRA said it is likely the employees that are accused of being part of Hamas would have been on that list and vetted by Israel. They've confirmed that it is all being investigated now by a top investigation team within the UN not by UNWRA. Hopefully we will get clarity on all this soon and the nation's that have suspended aid will reinstate it because time is running out for the starving civilians. It has also been announced that there is now 17,000 orphaned children in Gaza. What chance have they got.

@meesterkennedy I believe this is the post by @BackandForthRoundandRoundthat is being referenced at around 10am this morning:

*Hamas managed to come about due to the extent of the actions by Israel. This "the removal of Hamas' threat to continue attacking Israel" is again seeming to minimise and act as though they are innocent. It is human nature to end up fighting back against an oppressor. Seeing family members, friends, colleagues etc being murdered/taken away by Israeli forces to not be heard of again or returned some months later in a horrific state all contributes to why they have come about.

The vast majority of Hamas are meant to be orphans.*

Can you please point out where the word "rape" was mentioned because I don't see it.