To find the silence about UNRWA being Hamas hypocritical

[Muthaofcats]

I entirely understand the discomfort seeing images coming out of Gaza; but what I don’t get is those who choose to post about it on social media or campaign expressing their horror but being totally SILENT after October 7th (before Israeli had even responded), after evidence of the sexual violence suffered by those murdered in Israel and now, after finding out that UNWRA who they have all been sending donations to, are actually Hamas who perpetrated the atrocities.

Where is the outrage from these people at UNRWA?

Why are none of these vocal people not screaming from the roof tops at how horrendous this is !?! If it was true you care about humanity, why aren’t you horrified to learn you’ve all been donating to an organisation so closely linked to the rape and murder of innocent civilians ? (And this isn’t the first time unrwa has been linked to Hamas; their HQ is a Hamas building and they’ve famously been linked to training terrorists in their schools / got into hot water for removing the hollocaust from their curriculum)

if you are one of those white privileged women who posts on social media about a cease fire (I’m talking to those of you who have never been to the ME, or studied ME history and never taken up the cause of any of the other global conflicts); why is your outrage so one sided and blinkered ? Why don’t you acknowledge the horrors of the Israeli/ Jewish people too ? If you’re really the virtuous person you purport to be by taking up this cause, why don’t you care ? Or do you believe what Hamas did and are doing and promising to keep doing (murder all Jews) is justified ?

Genuinely find it bewildering.

That's not what she said.
They were innocent civilians caught up in all of this just like the 27,000 civilians killed in Palestine are not Hamas but innocent civilians. It is always innocent civilians who pay the price of war.

Israel is faced on all sides by different Iran backed militia groups ( Houthis etc) . Iran are using the situation for their own ends and blaming Israel for ALL the problems of the Middle East is too simplistic

Yes - that is true.

No - but the essential point is true - innocent people have suffered terribly on both sides

Ok the phrase I used was wrong. My point was they are innocent civilians targeted by Hamas it was in response to a question about whether they were the oppressors.

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2023/oct/analysis-hamas-and-hezbollah-how-they-are-different-and-why-they-might-cooperate-against

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/15/monday-briefing-from-hezbollah-to-the-houthis-these-are-the-risks-of-a-wider-middle-east-war

It’s just too simplistic to think that Israel is responsible for Hamas. The whole thing is a horrible mess and Israelis and Palestinians are suffering. But I still don’t understand what people expect Israel to do when they are faced with existential threat

@Limeandsodaontherocks I don't think anybody thought that Israel would not retaliate to October 7th. The ongoing brutal attack can no longer be justified or account as self defence in my opinion
Most of the population have been forcibly displaced into smaller and smaller 'safe zones' and then these same zones have been repeatedly bombed by the IDF.
70% of homes have been destroyed or damaged and most of Gaza left uninhabitable and then there's the issue of continuing to restrict and hinder allowing in and the distribution of life saving aid.
These actions are indefensible

Israel should definitely act in accordance with international law and not commit war crimes.

Again, I clearly did NOT mention RAPES at all.

You are reverting to the go-to claims in an attempt to divert away. Stop trying to claim something else was said as it is bizarre

You can turn it around too though. What do you expect Palestinians to do? Palestinians have even more reason to fear because Israel actual have the capability to eradicate them. There has to be some kind of trust formed going forward and this will mean Israel lessening its chokehold on Palestinians ir nothing will ever change.

I’m sorry you find it hard to understand that. I would have liked the Israeli government to take a targeted approach, and then when they could stomach it, consider how the oppression of Palestinian people had played a factor in the violence. I would have also liked for Hamas to not slaughter and rape people as a response to their oppression! It all has to stop at some point.

I would replace "Israel" with Palestine.

The horrendous history which spans years before October shows that they have been facing existential threat.

Homes bulldozed, people arrested and tortured, people murdered, children targeted, businesses destroyed, snipers deliberately targeting civilians. (Including all ages waving a white flag.) Anyone who tries to leave the remaining hospital is being shot at by snipers.

Also, why is it too "simplistic"? Genuine question.

The reign of brutal terror results in people targeting their oppressor. (And before anyone starts, I'm stating simple fact not singing praises for Hamas.)

The areas that the Israeli government claimed were "safe zones" are now being bombed repeatedly resulting in more deaths every single day.

They are also raiding the camp and taking away random civilians.

That seems to be what they like to do going by the statement of a recently released doctor who had been held captive by the Israeli Government since last year.

I said "It is human nature to fight back against oppressors" as part of a wider post about the extent of the horrors carried out by the Israeli government for all of these years.

You are attempting to put words into my mouth ~ you did the same with your previous post also claiming that I had said something that I had not.

Why is it acceptable for Palestinian captives to be sexually assaulted and raped? That has been reported spanning back years now.

There is blatant disregard for what has been happening. For some it seems that conflict suddenly begun in October.

It seems very much as though Palestinian lives are not worth as much as other lives to some.... We are all human.

@Limeandsodaontherocks
And to add to that it is also important to remember that starving people is not a weapon of war. Retaliate but don't break international humanitarian laws doing it. That is the issue, that is what people are so angry about the disproportionate, indiscriminate illegal retaliation

It’s too simplistic because there are multiple factors. There are many militia groups in the region - and different factions within the groups. The Israeli government is not an innocent party but it is simplifying things to say it is responsible for Hamas ( although I have no doubt that injustices faced by Palestinians have helped Hamas recruit new members)

I agree these things are all terrible.
And I feel very pessimistic as both sides are so extreme.
I don’t have any answers I’m just suspicious of any people who chant “Free Palestine “ and then tear down posters of hostages. ( I know you’re not one of those people) . I would also be suspicious of anyone who tried to minimise the suffering of innocent Palestinian civilians.

@Limeandsodaontherocks I agree. I think the heads and leaders of both sides are responsible for their own actions, which they have and continue to have choices in how they act.
The innocent civilians continue to bear the brunt of these actions on both sides.