To find the silence about UNRWA being Hamas hypocritical

[Muthaofcats]

I entirely understand the discomfort seeing images coming out of Gaza; but what I don’t get is those who choose to post about it on social media or campaign expressing their horror but being totally SILENT after October 7th (before Israeli had even responded), after evidence of the sexual violence suffered by those murdered in Israel and now, after finding out that UNWRA who they have all been sending donations to, are actually Hamas who perpetrated the atrocities.

Where is the outrage from these people at UNRWA?

Why are none of these vocal people not screaming from the roof tops at how horrendous this is !?! If it was true you care about humanity, why aren’t you horrified to learn you’ve all been donating to an organisation so closely linked to the rape and murder of innocent civilians ? (And this isn’t the first time unrwa has been linked to Hamas; their HQ is a Hamas building and they’ve famously been linked to training terrorists in their schools / got into hot water for removing the hollocaust from their curriculum)

if you are one of those white privileged women who posts on social media about a cease fire (I’m talking to those of you who have never been to the ME, or studied ME history and never taken up the cause of any of the other global conflicts); why is your outrage so one sided and blinkered ? Why don’t you acknowledge the horrors of the Israeli/ Jewish people too ? If you’re really the virtuous person you purport to be by taking up this cause, why don’t you care ? Or do you believe what Hamas did and are doing and promising to keep doing (murder all Jews) is justified ?

Genuinely find it bewildering.

You beat me to it!

@PeasfullPerson or maybe a FAQ thread that can be referred to.

@anotherlevel It’s a good idea!

@anotherlevel I actually think that's a good idea.

I might actually start one

Here we are

FAQ - Your questions answered. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/5000939-faq-your-questions-answered

Why can’t anyone answer the ceasefire question though; why do you find the murder of Jews tedious?

and sorry but people don’t understand what you mean or they wouldn’t feel the need to keep asking, I wonder if they keep asking the same questions in your opinion because you aren’t listening or able to provide a balanced consideration of the issue? The minute someone is wholly one sided or blind to the invidious position Israel is in, you are going to lose legitimacy over you position.

why do you find the murder of Jews tedious?
Sorry where did anyone suggest the murder of jews was tedious? I'm fed up with unfounded accusations please point to the post you are referring to ....

Why can’t anyone answer the ceasefire question though;
What's the question? And maybe then we could try to answer. Your post is very unclear. You haven't posted in two days so I'm unsure of the point you're trying to make

It is absolutely ridiculous that is even being claimed....

op derailing their own thread. 🤔

op AYBU about the silence and diverting being hypocritical..well no obviously not.

Many people have taken sides in this issue for whatever reason that may be.
There are people who rip down posters of abducted babies and children whilst ranting about the children of 'Palestine.' They only care about one side so will do anything they can to defend them.

I believe that there are many hamas sympathisers and activists in Gaza who do not want peace in amongst those that do.

I stand with Israel and those that want to allow it to exist.

Nothing you or I say here will stop the cries of 'unfair' and 'genocide' from people who refuse to see (or have chosen to support) the reality of the threat to Israel.

War is hell and the declaration of war from hamas on 7/10 showed the world what Israel have been protecting themselves from.

Agreed.
I don’t think Israelis have always acted properly towards Palestinians and they do have serious questions to answer but after October 7th it was clear they were facing an existential threat.
They are surrounded by threat in nearly all directions and the discovery that some Hamas supporters were posing as UNWRA could only add to the feeling that they are on their own .
Fear and anger makes people irrational and cruel and Hamas deliberately stoked that fear and anger on both sides.

And , as we know , Hamas ( and the Houthis) are funded by Iran. There are malign forces at work in the background who benefit from the suffering of the Palestinians and who have a bigger agenda . I understand and partly agree with the calls for ceasefire but I also think a ceasefire without eradicating Hamas will just prolong the Palestinians plight.
Im really fearful the whole thing will escalate horribly but I think it’s simplistic to simply blame the Israelis for responding to deliberate and horrific provocation when it’s clear the whole thing was orchestrated to cause a massive reaction.

...and Iran are supported by Russia.

The great game is being played quite aggressively right now even though the players have changed.

https://aje.io/i4dkr7 This is what people are experiencing... Think about all of the things readily available in the UK. Then try to imagine it all suddenly vanishing and having to try to protect and magically feed your family while trying to protect them from the cold.

That is not wording it as bluntly as it could be.

@quantumbutterfly "I believe that there are many Hamas sympathisers and activists in Gaza who do not want peace in amongst those that do."

This is a GENUINE question, and know I may have missed something, but I have seen no evidence from any source that Palestinians civilians are joining the fight with Hamas or the other militias, either through volunteering or being conscripted. This seems unusual for conflicts of this type. As Hamas fighters are killed, there don't seem to be any reports of others taking their place. I'm wondering why? Lack of support? There is certainly evidence that the civilian population have been increasingly dissatisfied with Hamas for quite a while and wanted a stronger focus on improving standards of living rather than armed resistance.

That the Israeli government have responded in such a disproportionate way, and that this has been supported by the US and UK government, has in my opinion played right into the hands of Iran.
I am angry about that, as well as the way ordinary people’s lives have been unnecessarily devastated.
It is possible to understand some of the factors that lead to a behaviour with condoning it, or agreeing it was the correct course of action. If you view the lives of Palestinian people as inconsequential and don’t believe it is wrong for them to be unfairly punished, then you may disagree.

The only people that can play this as a game, are people that don’t value the lives of ordinary civilians.

I think any right minded person would have to agree it is heartbreaking to read what is happening in Gaza. Its also heartbreaking to think of the hostages.
There is no easy answer here. A ceasefire tomorrow will not guarantee the safety and security of both sides without the removal of Hamas’ threat to continue attacking Israel.

The only way to eradicate Hamas or another group that will form to fill the space they may leave is to allow Palestinians to flourish. So long as they are under blockade and occupation, so long as their land is being stolen, their children are being killed, soldiers are patrolling their streets, 40% of men are arrested and taken from their families there is going to be some kind of push back against that. Just like Israel want to defend themselves Palestinians are going to want to defend themselves too.

I would say that the Israeli government is an enormous threat to the Palestinian people particularly given their well documented thoughts and intentions.

Ideally, they would all be replaced as they will continue to torment in any way that they can. It is in the news yet again today about wanting to increase the number of illegal settlements. They will continue their reign of terror.

There won't be peace as long as Israel is behaving the way it has been. I'm on about the behaviours and actions going back years.

Hamas managed to come about due to the extent of the actions by Israel. This "the removal of Hamas' threat to continue attacking Israel" is again seeming to minimise and act as though they are innocent. It is human nature to end up fighting back against an oppressor. Seeing family members, friends, colleagues etc being murdered/taken away by Israeli forces to not be heard of again or returned some months later in a horrific state all contributes to why they have come about.

The vast majority of Hamas are meant to be orphans.

Interesting

I don’t understand this “. “the removal of Hamas' threat to continue attacking Israel" is again seeming to minimise and act as though they are innocent”
I agree that “It is human nature to end up fighting back against an oppressor. “ I guess both sides feel that they are doing that..

“Hamas managed to come about due to the extent of the actions by Israel. “ This is an oversimplification and ignores the issue of where Hamas’ funding comes from , Hamas own stated aims and objectives and Hamas’ treatment of Palestinians who don’t support them .