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Conflict in the Middle East

To find the silence about UNRWA being Hamas hypocritical

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Muthaofcats · 28/01/2024 07:35

I entirely understand the discomfort seeing images coming out of Gaza; but what I don’t get is those who choose to post about it on social media or campaign expressing their horror but being totally SILENT after October 7th (before Israeli had even responded), after evidence of the sexual violence suffered by those murdered in Israel and now, after finding out that UNWRA who they have all been sending donations to, are actually Hamas who perpetrated the atrocities.

Where is the outrage from these people at UNRWA?

Why are none of these vocal people not screaming from the roof tops at how horrendous this is !?! If it was true you care about humanity, why aren’t you horrified to learn you’ve all been donating to an organisation so closely linked to the rape and murder of innocent civilians ? (And this isn’t the first time unrwa has been linked to Hamas; their HQ is a Hamas building and they’ve famously been linked to training terrorists in their schools / got into hot water for removing the hollocaust from their curriculum)

if you are one of those white privileged women who posts on social media about a cease fire (I’m talking to those of you who have never been to the ME, or studied ME history and never taken up the cause of any of the other global conflicts); why is your outrage so one sided and blinkered ? Why don’t you acknowledge the horrors of the Israeli/ Jewish people too ? If you’re really the virtuous person you purport to be by taking up this cause, why don’t you care ? Or do you believe what Hamas did and are doing and promising to keep doing (murder all Jews) is justified ?

Genuinely find it bewildering.

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ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 30/01/2024 09:03

PeasfullPerson · 30/01/2024 08:51

What a non question, I shall ask my own.

Do you always blindly believe whatever information you are given?

I use my common sense, not blind hate.

Try it sometime.

quantumbutterfly · 30/01/2024 09:34

We need nanny ogg, 'let me through I'm a nosy person.'

No use whatsoever but just need to know.

EasterIssland · 31/01/2024 21:01

I’m not always proud to be Spanish … but in this case more than happy that my government has decided to provide more cash even if it’s pissed the Israeli consul off

To find the silence about UNRWA being Hamas hypocritical
EasterIssland · 01/02/2024 08:08

Craig mokhiber, used to work for un until not long time ago, opinion about why Israel is accusing urnwa and us removing the funding. Apologies as it’s got subtitles in Spanish , it’s from an Spanish account but the conversation is in English
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2qpPokO48O/?igsh=Mng0cW14aHhkNmVl

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2qpPokO48O/?igsh=Mng0cW14aHhkNmVl

BackandForthRoundandRound · 01/02/2024 08:17

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"Virtue signalling narcissists" not to mention the rest of your rant....

Seems like someone doesn't like posts showing the reality of what Israel is doing in Palestine

BackandForthRoundandRound · 01/02/2024 08:23

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 30/01/2024 08:10

Your trust, or lack of it, is based on your bias.

The countries deciding on whether to suspend their aid will have had considerably more information than you from their intelligence services.

It isn't "bias" though... It is based upon the sheer volume of claims that have already been proven or admitted to be absolute lies.

The timing for this is ever so slightly suspicious.

Also, twelve people out of all the incredible number that they employ.

It is rather concerning how some people can sit back and be perfectly content with children, women and men starving and dying from preventable diseases/conditions/simple issues such as diarrhoea for example.

Aid agencies need to be able to distribute it and many other things. It isn't as simple as simply sticking aid on a lorry (that will likely be stuck waiting a very long time) so all the people who are essentially sitting back rejoicing about some countries suspending funding are sentencing innocent people to death. How lovely.

quantumbutterfly · 01/02/2024 08:25
The Princess Bride Reaction GIF

TBF it doesn't look like any kind of virtue they're signalling, they're signalling something but it's not virtuous.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 01/02/2024 08:35

BackandForthRoundandRound · 01/02/2024 08:23

It isn't "bias" though... It is based upon the sheer volume of claims that have already been proven or admitted to be absolute lies.

The timing for this is ever so slightly suspicious.

Also, twelve people out of all the incredible number that they employ.

It is rather concerning how some people can sit back and be perfectly content with children, women and men starving and dying from preventable diseases/conditions/simple issues such as diarrhoea for example.

Aid agencies need to be able to distribute it and many other things. It isn't as simple as simply sticking aid on a lorry (that will likely be stuck waiting a very long time) so all the people who are essentially sitting back rejoicing about some countries suspending funding are sentencing innocent people to death. How lovely.

https://unwatch.org/updated-list-of-countries-suspending-unwra-funding/

This is the list of countries that have suspended aid. At least it was 2 days ago.

If it's concerning enough for governments to suspend it, then they most likely are relying on sources better than those of MN posters.

UPDATED: List of Countries Suspending UNRWA Funding - UN Watch

UPDATED January 30, 2024 — Since the revelations that at least 12 UNRWA staffers were involved in Hamas’s Oct. 7 attack on Israel, around 10% of UNRWA's Gaza employees have links to the Hamas or Palestinian Islamic Jihad terrorist organizations, and 50...

https://unwatch.org/updated-list-of-countries-suspending-unwra-funding/

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 01/02/2024 08:39

I'm using the link above only for the list of countries.

I think other countries have joined as well.

BackandForthRoundandRound · 01/02/2024 08:42

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 01/02/2024 08:35

https://unwatch.org/updated-list-of-countries-suspending-unwra-funding/

This is the list of countries that have suspended aid. At least it was 2 days ago.

If it's concerning enough for governments to suspend it, then they most likely are relying on sources better than those of MN posters.

I'm aware of the list of the countries which have decided to do that.

It still stands that twelve out of all the number that they employ is a miniscule amount.

It also still stands that children, women and men are going to starve due to this. They already were ~ this is going to increase the number. There are already huge issues with sickness and all this is going to do is obviously massively increase that. Deaths from entirely preventable and treatable illnesses.

It still stands that the date of this is very suspicious indeed. It was obvious that they would have to suspend due to the allegation as otherwise they would end up in hot water and accused of giving money to "terrorism" It is standard.

AliceA2021 · 01/02/2024 08:46

shockeditellyou · 29/01/2024 18:44

So we have Iran, who are supposedly Bestest Buds and Right Behind the Palestine cause, who can manage to supply guns, bombs, weapons and ideological nonsense but can’t manage any humanitarian aid (they are nowhere to be seen on the UNRWA list of donors), and Ireland, with an enormous budget surplus and some politicians who make nice pronouncements and fly some flags, but no significant practical help.

And yet European countries who have been funding UNRWA for decades with millions of dollars of aid, which turns out to have been an organisation with serious corruption and terrorising problems, and this is supposedly more problematic.

Gotcha.

Also - is there any reason that the UNRWA can’t just be replaced with UNHCR?

I've no idea why Iran only supplies weapons and not humanitarian aid to Gaza, Yeman etc. Maybe they want to cause death a d destruction rather than help people. They leave it to the west to supply billions in aid and feed the starving people. Iran are great at dividing the west.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 01/02/2024 08:49

You keep repeating the same thing. Only 12, over and over again. That's the point, isn't it? It's alleged there is more to that and the allegations are being looked into.

I'm sure that if the allegations prove untrue then the aid will be reinstated.

quantumbutterfly · 01/02/2024 09:04

I think the hamas recruiting line can be paraphrased as 'do you have fire in your heart at the perceived injustice I'm teaching you? Do you have rocks in your head so you can't see any other way but violence? If so I have a bandwagon for you to jump on. (Small print...there are no brakes).

BackandForthRoundandRound · 01/02/2024 09:12

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 01/02/2024 08:49

You keep repeating the same thing. Only 12, over and over again. That's the point, isn't it? It's alleged there is more to that and the allegations are being looked into.

I'm sure that if the allegations prove untrue then the aid will be reinstated.

Just ignore the rest, as always.

Anyways, regardless of whether the number supposedly happens to be slightly higher, compared to the actual number that they employ it is still a very, very small number.

Also, ignore the fact that they have to withdraw funding as otherwise they would then be accused of giving money to "terrorism"

BackandForthRoundandRound · 01/02/2024 09:14

quantumbutterfly · 01/02/2024 09:04

I think the hamas recruiting line can be paraphrased as 'do you have fire in your heart at the perceived injustice I'm teaching you? Do you have rocks in your head so you can't see any other way but violence? If so I have a bandwagon for you to jump on. (Small print...there are no brakes).

"Perceived"

Interesting choice of word

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 01/02/2024 09:20

Anyways, regardless of whether the number supposedly happens to be slightly higher, compared to the actual number that they employ it is still a very, very small number.

How do you know that? What sources do you have?

Dulra · 01/02/2024 09:32

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 01/02/2024 08:49

You keep repeating the same thing. Only 12, over and over again. That's the point, isn't it? It's alleged there is more to that and the allegations are being looked into.

I'm sure that if the allegations prove untrue then the aid will be reinstated.

In a perfect world yes wait for a full investigation find out exactly who and how many has infiltrated UNWRA but this is not a perfect world and time is of the essence here. While countries suspend aid people will die it is that simple. An UNWRA representative was on Irish radio this morning outlining the impact, they basically have enough funding to provide aid until mid Feb then they will have to withdraw! The investigation can rumble on but it is imperative that countries do not suspend aid while it does. Why don't they send over independent observers while aid is being distributed? Suspending aid should be the last resort not the first action when the humanitarian crisis is so extreme. I have also not heard from any of these countries who have suspended aid to UNWRA how they are going to ensure aid gets through from other means. It is so easy to suspend aid and just stand back and watch people perish without actually providing or implementing another option to get aid through.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 01/02/2024 10:17

Why don't they send over independent observers while aid is being distributed?

Because it would be completely irresponsible for, say, Sweden to send any of its citizens into an active war zone in order to police an organisation currently under investigation for its involvment in terrorist atrocities.

sorbaat · 01/02/2024 10:21

BackandForthRoundandRound · 01/02/2024 09:12

Just ignore the rest, as always.

Anyways, regardless of whether the number supposedly happens to be slightly higher, compared to the actual number that they employ it is still a very, very small number.

Also, ignore the fact that they have to withdraw funding as otherwise they would then be accused of giving money to "terrorism"

How many terrorists working for an organisation is an acceptable number for you?

Oh wait, you don't actually believe that Hamas are terrorists do you?

Babyboomtastic · 01/02/2024 10:27

sorbaat · 01/02/2024 10:21

How many terrorists working for an organisation is an acceptable number for you?

Oh wait, you don't actually believe that Hamas are terrorists do you?

How many paedophiles is acceptable? How many rapists? How many abusive men?

We didn't defund the police over Curzon. We didnt defund the NHS over Letby. In every large organisation there will be 'undesirables', even in the UK where we have comprehensive vetting. It's monstrous to suggest that a small minority of undesirable people means it's ok for thousands of children to starve to death.

BackandForthRoundandRound · 01/02/2024 10:31

sorbaat · 01/02/2024 10:21

How many terrorists working for an organisation is an acceptable number for you?

Oh wait, you don't actually believe that Hamas are terrorists do you?

@Babyboomtastic has worded it exactly as it is.

sorbaat · 01/02/2024 10:38

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MrTiddlesTheCat · 01/02/2024 10:40

Babyboomtastic · 01/02/2024 10:27

How many paedophiles is acceptable? How many rapists? How many abusive men?

We didn't defund the police over Curzon. We didnt defund the NHS over Letby. In every large organisation there will be 'undesirables', even in the UK where we have comprehensive vetting. It's monstrous to suggest that a small minority of undesirable people means it's ok for thousands of children to starve to death.

WSJ reported 190 employees are Hamas operatives, 1200 (10%) have direct links to Hamas or other terrorist groups, and around 50% have a close link.

If it came to light that almost 1000 Met officers were undercover terrorist operatives and 25000 were supporters they be defunded before you could say 'WTF!'

Babyboomtastic · 01/02/2024 10:44

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What on earth are you going on about now 😂
No one here is a 'rape denier'.

And it is irrelevant whether the 'one bad apple excuse didn't really fly' with Couzens. We aren't talking about excuses here, we are talking about facts. That is not the norm to defund an organisation because someone within it did something bad. We know he committed an awful murder. We know the police still exist. What you do is our extra effort into weeding out the 'bad apples', not burn the orchard.

The point stands that it's impossible to ensure only 'good' people work for an organisation, especially a large one, and using that as an excuse to cut funding and starve children to death is monstrous.

Dulra · 01/02/2024 10:53

MrTiddlesTheCat · 01/02/2024 10:17

Why don't they send over independent observers while aid is being distributed?

Because it would be completely irresponsible for, say, Sweden to send any of its citizens into an active war zone in order to police an organisation currently under investigation for its involvment in terrorist atrocities.

I feel it is completely irresponsible to pull aid from starving people.

It was a suggestion mainly to make the point that pulling aid from UNWRA without an alternative to feed starving people and provide medical supplies will lead directly to people dying so other options have to be implemented to ensure aid gets through asap

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