To find the silence about UNRWA being Hamas hypocritical

[Muthaofcats]

I entirely understand the discomfort seeing images coming out of Gaza; but what I don’t get is those who choose to post about it on social media or campaign expressing their horror but being totally SILENT after October 7th (before Israeli had even responded), after evidence of the sexual violence suffered by those murdered in Israel and now, after finding out that UNWRA who they have all been sending donations to, are actually Hamas who perpetrated the atrocities.

Where is the outrage from these people at UNRWA?

Why are none of these vocal people not screaming from the roof tops at how horrendous this is !?! If it was true you care about humanity, why aren’t you horrified to learn you’ve all been donating to an organisation so closely linked to the rape and murder of innocent civilians ? (And this isn’t the first time unrwa has been linked to Hamas; their HQ is a Hamas building and they’ve famously been linked to training terrorists in their schools / got into hot water for removing the hollocaust from their curriculum)

if you are one of those white privileged women who posts on social media about a cease fire (I’m talking to those of you who have never been to the ME, or studied ME history and never taken up the cause of any of the other global conflicts); why is your outrage so one sided and blinkered ? Why don’t you acknowledge the horrors of the Israeli/ Jewish people too ? If you’re really the virtuous person you purport to be by taking up this cause, why don’t you care ? Or do you believe what Hamas did and are doing and promising to keep doing (murder all Jews) is justified ?

Genuinely find it bewildering.

The food is there, on the wrong side of the border waiting for Israel to let it in.
https://www.wfp.org/stories/hungers-border-why-aid-trucks-taking-humanitarian-gear-and-food-gaza-face-long-waits

Rumour has it there is food in the tunnels too.

Ireland has an €8 billion surplus and is currently looking at setting up a sovereign wealth fund. It can totally do more.

So you mean Iran needs to step up? They’re the ones paying for the conflict and supplying Hamas.

Sure. I wouldn't object to Iran contributing.

And they possibly will but that is still not enough to cover the losses

So we have Iran, who are supposedly Bestest Buds and Right Behind the Palestine cause, who can manage to supply guns, bombs, weapons and ideological nonsense but can’t manage any humanitarian aid (they are nowhere to be seen on the UNRWA list of donors), and Ireland, with an enormous budget surplus and some politicians who make nice pronouncements and fly some flags, but no significant practical help.

And yet European countries who have been funding UNRWA for decades with millions of dollars of aid, which turns out to have been an organisation with serious corruption and terrorising problems, and this is supposedly more problematic.

Gotcha.

Also - is there any reason that the UNRWA can’t just be replaced with UNHCR?

I'm pleased my taxes are not funding terrorism

It's a pity our first minister saw fit to give away more of my taxes for his own projects.

No idea why you are picking on Ireland here? you are obviously not happy with their continued funding to UNWRA but your dismissive tone is bizarre

▪️UNWRA - According to the Wall Street Journal, one in ten UNRA employees is linked to terrorist organizations. 12 were directly involved in the massacre. 1,200 of the 12,000 UNRWA employees have close ties to Hamas and Islamic Jihad operatives (eg. first degree family ties). Of the 12 UNRWA employees who took an active part in the terrorist attacks, 7 were teachers.

@Dulra (sorry, don’t want to include a huge wall of text in a quote) - should have given context. I am Irish and there is loads of press here about how we are much better than England because we are supporting the Palestine Cause, when all Ireland is doing is the diplomatic equivalent of “thoughts and prayers”.

@shockeditellyou fair enough. I do feel we are doing a bit more than that diplomatically, we have a representative office of Ireland in Ramallah for the past 20 years providing development and humanitarian assistance, but I take your point

We have absolutely no evidence so far that this is the case. The Israeli government pretty much label anybody who doesn’t agree with their actions, as a antisemitic terrorist.

I don’t trust them as a source, they have shown they are not as capable as they pretend to be, and they have political motivation to discredit the UNRWA. In addition, I believe they are using this as a way to divert attention away from the ICJ ruling.

I am sure there are a minority of employees which are a general concern.

You know..I'm astonished that I'm not privy to all the evidence that governments and security agencies deal with......I'm also not privy to whether the hostages taken on 7/10 are alive or dead. I particularly think of the 2 youngest and wonder what kind of person would be capable of that.
I can just about appreciate that they are pawns of evil men, but my sympathy lies with hostages and other innocents.

Otoh......at least they were alive and not shot, blown up or burned alive like so many of their neighbours.

Oh I forgot...we didn't see that ourselves so the evidence must be fabricated. My bad.

Your trust, or lack of it, is based on your bias.

The countries deciding on whether to suspend their aid will have had considerably more information than you from their intelligence services.

Thank you @ChardonnaysBeastlyCat for summarising my frustration.
The answer to the thread title is a yes from me, but no surprise. People believe what they want to believe. What a shitshow.

They hate 'the West' but most of their aid funding comes from the west. Iran funds weapons and no aid.

Interesting that many will gladly take money from the west with one hand and attack with the other

What bothers me too, is that there are so many in the west, who hate the west, and try to undermine the society that allows them the freedom to undermine it, while admiring totalitarian regimes as utopian.
It's baffling.

No, your trust is based on bias.

My analysis is based on the timing of it, political motivation, and disproportionate response.

I’m going to add ‘hates the West’ and ‘Anti-West’ to my bingo card/list of labels used to discredit.

Please, stop ‘bandying’ these words about.

So you have impeccable intelligence sources? Better than those of the counties that have decided to suspend the aid?

My apologies if that’s the case.

What a non question, I shall ask my own.

Do you always blindly believe whatever information you are given?

Questioning everything is not the mark of intelligence.
How does the prayer go...the courage to change what I can, the strength to bear what I can't change, the wisdom to know the difference.

I just had a little laugh to myself. That doesn’t sound like a very Western attitude! More like something a dictator would say.

Anyway, I think we should focus on the issue, as we are getting close to exchanging insults, and I would not like to do that.