Eliminate Hamas……At any the cost ?

[Itoosurvive]

Israel’s aim is to eliminate Hamas’ fighters.

So far it has cost 25,000 Palestinian lives.
Approximately 300 members of the IDF have been killed.
According to US intelligence (Rad 4 news 18.00 21-1-2024) between 20% and 30% of Hamas' fighters have been killed.
Approximately 65% of buildings have been destroyed.

So, the IDF is about a quarter of the way through the task they have been set.
The following question is directed at anyone who supports the current campaign to remove Hamas.

When does the loss of life become great enough to call a halt to the operation, or should it carry on until Hamas is eliminated, regardless of the cost?

edit, Title should read "At any cost"

Plenty of evidence shared by the IDF soldiers themselves used in the ICJ and also still being helpfully recorded by the soldiers.

including on the telegram channel 72 virgins which the Israeli army has admitted was being run by their team. Showing torture of palestinians
it had over 150000 members which is reprehnsible. They are not shy about their conduct.

the excuse of But Hamas doesnt fly anymore.

israeli army are now bombing rafah which is the last place for the palestininas to go being penned in by Egypt as well

voluntary migration being brandied about 😅 what a joke

@Justpontificating

and the IDF surely. It does seem that their actions of indiscriminate killings and the torture of civilians is not just down to the Israeli Government.

Absolutely, I include the IDF too.

Why is israeli army called a defence force?
their propaganda is very well thought of for western audiance consumption

That clear it up....?

@User12795

IDF for Dummies:
Israeli Defense Force defends the land of Israel from those that attack and want to annihilate its people.
Current example of this is the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas. Initiated by Hamas after they massacred 1500 Israeli civilians and took 300+ hostage. Now IDF is fighting back and aims to disempower and demilitarise Hamas so that they will no longer be a threat to Israel.

As of a few days ago Hamas were still firing rockets into Israel and 100+ hostages are still in Gaza, so IDF still has some fighting to do.

@User12795 "israeli army are now bombing rafah which is the last place for the palestininas to go being penned in by Egypt as well"

Maybe someone should have a word with Egypt? I wonder why Egypt won't let them out?

There is speculation that the senior Hamas leadership is hiding out in the Rafah area, but any ground operation would require the movement of over a million Gazans who have fled south and risk fracturing Israeli-Egyptian ties.

Egypt won't "let them out" as they are well aware Israel will never let them back in and Egypt doesn't have the resources to permanently support 2 million traumatised homeless refugees.

Look how much fuss our government makes about 80,000 people on boats.

Anyway at least the whole world can now see what the Israeli government meant when they said there were safe zones to evacuate to

@AdamRyan Look how much fuss our government makes about 80,000 people on boats.

And you don't think that's a justified 'fuss'? Well, you're paying for them to stay in hotels as well I am. Dead right I want them to create a 'fuss' and when they've done that get some cojones and deal with it.

OK, so why on earth is your answer to the destruction of Gaza to expect Egypt to pick up the pieces?

I didn't say that at all, please don't misquote me.

I said there was a way out via the Rafa crossing which Egypt won't open.

You can't blame Israel for that.

I think you can blame Israel for that because they won't let them back in, also why should Egypt be responsible for 2 million people that Israel drove out, on a humanitarian level they would at least be safer but Israel needs to show some humanity too.

@Arafina "I think you can blame Israel for that because they won't let them back in"

When did they say that?

"also why should Egypt be responsible for 2 million people that Israel drove out"

Why should Lebanon be responsible for 814,000 Syrians?
Why should Jordan be responsible for 661,000 Syrians?
Why should Iraq be responsible for 260,000 Syrians?
Why should Egypt be responsible for 145,000 Syrians?

All the above refugees ^ were created because Syria embarked on a civil war that bombed most of the country to sh!trags, wrecked the economy, killed 580,000 and displaced 13 million people.

https://www.unhcr.org/jo/refugee-camps#:~:text=Jordan%20is%20home%20to%20Zaatari,the%20northeast%20of%20the%20country.

Are you saying those neighbours didn't have a moral duty to help these people?

I would have thought Israel could vet the population and create refugee centres on their side of the border. A temporary measure to protect civilians, especially children, until they have finished in Gaza.

Oh come on!!! It is a well known fact that Palestinians have no right of return, as for Syrians yes of course neighbours should help those fleeing war, Turkey has taken more than 3 million to add to your list. This is different, the Palestinians are being driven out, they're told to move South to be safe, they move, the South is bombed, there is nowhere else for them to go, if that's not pushing people out I don't know what is, and now according to you it's Egypts' fault. If the Gazans all leave it will be next stop West Bank, in fact it's already started, it's disgusting

That's good in principle, but Hamas is everywhere.

Egypt could have set up temporary refugee camps in Sinai using international cooperation, but they are too scared of letting Hamas into Egypt.

Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, in uncharacteristically explicit remarks, warned that transferring Palestinians into Sinai will turn the peninsula into a launching pad for attacks against Israel, eliciting Israeli reprisals, triggering war between the two countries and upending the longest peace between Israel and any Arab country.
Additionally, the movement of Palestinian refugees out of Gaza would evoke memories of the mass displacement that accompanied the creation of Israel in 1948. Egypt fears that such an eventuality would bring an end to any future prospect of Palestinian-Israeli peace based on a two-state solution, instead bringing a diplomatic void and inflaming Arab public opinion.
This concern is so widely and deeply held in the region that, even as Palestinian civilian casualties mounted after October 7, other Arab countries supported Egypt in its vehement opposition to opening the Sinai for refugees.
Indeed, after concluding a tour to several Arab capitals, Secretary of State Antony Blinken told Al-Arabiya TV that he heard “from virtually every...leader that I’ve talked to in the region that that idea is a nonstarter, and so we do not support it.”

@Arafina "It is a well known fact that Palestinians have no right of return,"

Is it? Where is it stated?

"Palestinians are being driven out"

You don't think the Syrians were driven out??

"now according to you it's Egypts' fault."

Egypt could have prevented casualties. They chose not to.

"If the Gazans all leave it will be next stop West Bank,"

Really? Where is that stated?

@Lanabigbanana I didn't mean the entire population, but carefully vetted and definitely small children, as a temporary measure. There would be no worry about Israel not allowing them to return to Gaza, I would think. I am sure there are plenty of caring individuals and humanitarian organisations within Israel who would be glad to get innocents out for the duration of the war. It would be much easier to locate Hamas without so many civilians around. It would be much better for Israel's image. And, while I understand no country can have a group like Hamas on their border after what they have done, I think it should be possible to take more care of civilian life.

Your head is well and truly buried in the sand, do you not read the news? and as for "the right of return" Google is your friend

"Your head is well and truly buried in the sand, do you not read the news?"

Yes, and the 'right of return' has never been discussed (maybe that's because I don't watch Al Jezeera ?)

is ai good for you or are you also going to dismiss any link that is posted for you

i know you won’t even bother opening the link but it’s from 2019 and talks about how Israel already then was refusing the right to return to millions of Palestinians that had been displaced in previous wars , because this war didn’t start 7-10

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2019/05/israels-refusal-to-grant-palestinian-refugees-right-to-return-has-fuelled-seven-decades-of-suffering/

@EasterIssland "is ai good for you or are you also going to dismiss any link that is posted for you

i know you won’t even bother opening the link but it’s from 2019"

Your post makes no sense.

If you know that 'I won't bother opening it' why are you bothering to post it?! 🤔

You’re the one not making sense dismissing something that has been reported for years. Refusing to do your own investigation.

@Lanabigbanana funny that no one else wants to get involved and are happy to stand by.... except if they have 10k or are well known on social media.