Now that I am sober!!!!!!! 😜
People on this thread have denied seeing any pro-Hamas posts, and yet here's a truly shocking one in plain sight, earlier on this thread:
"As for Hamas (or any other Palestinian faction): they do have a right to resist - including via the means of armed resistance - their occupation. In doing so, they are bound by the same rules that apply to other conflicts: they have got to be proportional and have got to meaningfully discriminate between civilian and military targets. They arguably failed to comply with the latter principle on 7/10."
Really, this is a gobsmackingly clear voice of support and I'm guessing others hesitate to report it for the same reasons as me: it's better to be able to see people's cards on the table.
There are plenty of others, e.g. bness's "Maybe by learning to co exist in peace and give rights to Palestinians (in their own country ffs), there would be no need for brutal resistance, the existence of a terrorist group or attacks."
As for this constant barrage of accusing Israel of war crimes, a PP posted this, which explains very clearly why this is a false judgement:
https://twitter.com/cptallenhistory/status/1723037202458857836?s=46&t=67qt1M7Rh6bcgFF_aUML9g
Based on reports of bombs dropped vs people killed, it's been estimated that Israel has dropped several thousand pounds of explosives for each individual person killed. If indiscriminate carpet bombing and genocide was really their goal, this is clearly not the way to go about it.
It's also a bit of a headfuck holding Israel responsible for lack of food, water and medical aid in Gaza. If their government had spent the past couple of decades building up the infrastructure instead of creating a rat’s nest of tunnels and stockpiling weapons with the sole intent of obliterating Israel, they wouldn’t need to rely on charity. Also, if Hamas could be trusted not to intercept aid for its own purposes, it might be a different story.
Israel is being asked to feed the hand that bites.
Of course war is horrible, that’s why sane governments try to avoid them instead of deliberately starting one.
There's also a heap of stuff on here like
it's been proven that Isreal [sic] lied about babies being beheaded
It's the "Israel lied" that's so misleading, as though these stories were just invented for propaganda reasons and did not originate from traumatised forensic teams and medics. Like the hideous snickering that somehow in the immediate aftermath of the 7 Oct traumas, no one bothered to test women with rape kits, as though that was a clear priority so that we'd have proper rubber-stamped evidence.
Going back to OP's original question: those posting on here about how awful Israel is (and no one is denying they have a shit government), do you see Palestine as the underdog and Israel as some kind of big swaggering "Western" power?
Let's face it, none of us has any real clue about decisions being made and all the factors playing into them from one moment to the next. Discussing it on here is all just playing at puppet theatre like Punch and Judy, with each of us arguing over which one is which.