Mainly about Al Shifa [bombed front of hospital 3]

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Continuation from thread 3

The on-going dire situation at the hospital

Sorry to hear that @Scirocco

@Scirocco So sorry

@Scirocco So sorry.

@Scirocco I am so sorry
Ar dheis de go raibh a anam (may they rest in peace)

O am very sorry.
Obviously it is a tragedy for Gaza. It was a source for life and hope, and a centre of excellence representing the highest levels of learning and expertise. It was also perceived as a place of safety by ordinary people I believe.

A question if anyone knows the answer: I wonder if some of the Hamas fighters captured or killed there by the IDF were in beds being treated for wounds? Surely Hamas fighters were not able to be treated in the tunnels if they had serious wounds.

@ScrollingLeaves there's not even any evidence of Hamas tunnels at Al-Shifa that I've seen. The picture they showed of a 'tunnel' just looked like a ventilation shaft.

At Al-Shifa, the IDF claim not to have harmed any civilians. Strange, given that my colleagues were reportedly found with their hands tied behind their backs and shot at close range. So right now, I don't believe a word of their claims about what they did at Al-Shifa.

They’ve been seen to lie often just blatantly.

It really does seem like the Russian lying I have seen described as everyone knows it is a lie, but it is still said and never questioned*. Perhaps there is a Russian influence from Russian immigrants to Israel affecting this.

• ‘vranyo’ – Russian for when you lie and everyone knows it, but you don’t care theconversation.com/ukraine-war-vranyo-russian-for-when-you-lie-and-everyone-knows-it-but-you-dont-care-181100

It reminds me of a line in a computer game from a few years ago: "They're on to you - quick, lie harder."

I'm so sorry.

Nick Maynard said in his interview with Nick Ferrari it was a ventilation shaft which was near a hotel he used to stay at. He recognised it from having actually been there.

I cannot imagine how it must feel to know your former colleagues were brutally murdered in this way, and know these and other murders are being lied about with no redress of journalists from Western countries to speak to witnesses and report to the world and now Al Jazeera to be banned.

On Channel 4 News tonight they had a veteran IDF soldier explaining the thinking behind the IDF’s killing strategy which is based on premises which would never lessen the number of innocents killed:

The way Israel fights in Gaza is designed in a way that allows us to kill innocent people’, says Israeli veteran – Channel 4 News

https://www.channel4.com/news/the-way-israel-fights-in-gaza-is-designed-in-a-way-that-allows-us-to-kill-innocent-people-says-israeli-veteran

And in another thread, people are insisting Israel would never deliberately target healthcare workers...

@Scirocco I'm so sorry

People are so keen to believe blatant lies and to mock those of us who actually care about the human cost of this conflict.

This is great. I think someone is now trying to imply my friends and colleagues were Hamas or IJ. Which they weren't. They were doctors trying to save lives. That's over in the 'To wonder how anyone thought...' thread, btw.

Thread from msf about how idf destroyed nasser hospital
https://twitter.com/MSF_canada/status/1775584157105803310

Truly sorry to hear about the loss of your colleagues at Al Shifa @Scirocco - take good care of yourself and try to ignore/avoid the cruel responses

I’m so sorry @Scirocco I’m distressed by the coldness I see towards the loss of life, and I am angry by the unfairness and lies. I l sometimes wonder, if I lived in Gaza would I still be alive, and what lies would be told to justify yet again another death of someone who hadn’t done anything to deserve it. Most likely I would be deemed so insignificant that nobody would even need to bother explaining themselves. I imagine you feel much worse. For every person who seeks to excuse this madness there are many more against it, I hope that is at least something to hold onto.

Thank you.

@Scirocco the threads have got extremely toxic over the past few days and there is a lot of cruelty and people so easily dismissing the suffering and death of innocent civilians. It is just a small minority of posters so focus on those posts of support and ignore the rest of the noise 💐

@Dulra thank you.

This is heartbreaking to read. The majority are writing about their mothers on the wall of Al Shifa hospital. Not a single word of hatred or anger about their killers just their strength in their faith.

"If the pain inside me fell and landed on a mountain, it would collapse it. Oh God, your mercy in worshipping you"

www.instagram.com/p/C5WF1aRrpGV/?igsh=MXhxZ3Z6cnR1cHg0ag==

@anotherlevel every innocent Muslim killed in Gaza and the West Bank dies a martyr and is granted Jannat al-Firdaus, iA. May Allah accept our prayers for them.

I know and it's what comforts me. But just reading these and knowing ho they felt before death is upsetting. I'm happy they're in a better place than here.

@Scirocco, I am so very, very sorry!

Having lost people I cared about in my own right (albeit not recently): I think I understand!

The loss is one thing (it hurts, it really does! When, for example, it is a grandparent!) - the awareness of why and how and that it is all horribly and inherently "political" and could have been different is yet another!

I lost one of my English students some 20 years ago - or, as it was later explained: "the army confronted stone throwers"! It just fucking did NOT! I was standing right there: none of my boys threw a single stone that day! But ... even if they had: I would still have to fundamentally disagree with the death penalty for kids throwing stones at tanks. But they did NOT even. Not on that day, anyway (they would sometimes; no, a stone thrown does not endanger the life of some soldier in a tank!)! They shot him nonetheless! He died, having been shot in the head, on a dusty street in front of my eyes! I stroked his head and said it was going to be alright and that the ambulance was coming. Fuck, I was only 20 years old, had never even seen a grandparent die, and I was out of my depth, and I probably let him down so much during his last moments!!! He deserved better! So much better!!!

Later, I lost my favourite aunt (by marriage): she was such a "larger than life" woman. I loved her for how spirited she was (and feared her for her "battle ship" opinions on hair and makeup - I have many a picture of me looking completely gharish because she wanted it that way!). No, she was not shot, she suffered a stroke! An ambulance was called for her and did swiftly arrive, ready to take her for urgent treatment! She passed away at a checkpoint after the ambulance had waited for several hours to enter the city! Bhabek, ya XY! Habibti-t-albi, ya hayati! She was such a total battleship of a woman, and she deserved better!

It is "different" when they do not "just die" but when it would have been avoidable - perhaps deliberate, even! There is not really a way to describe it that will make sense!

I feel for your loss, @Scirocco! A lot! And: if you ever feel you just need to randomly "vent" about "what it is like to have lost someone in Palestine": feel free to DM!