The JC: Sacha Baron Cohen says ‘Tiktok is creating the biggest antisemitic movement since the Nazis‘

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https://www.thejc.com/news/news/tiktok-is-creating-the-biggest-antisemitic-movement-since-the-nazis-says-sacha-baron-cohen-atXpPLW21qrpRTcbh9MU2

And those who have no defence just attempt to silence.

The way people talk about Muslims and the justification for the ethnic cleansing of historic Palestinian one would think the holocaust was caused by Arabs and not the white man pretending to be Christian. Then you have those with Nazi roots like Von Der len supporting the current genocide. 55 million indigenous people killed by Europeans across the Americas and its Muslims that need lessons on the genocide apparently.

@Sparklytops those people are rare on here.

Ah I see, when you said Arabs you didn't mean Arabs but specifically the people who were displaced by the creation of Israel. The wider Arab world had recent history of killing or persecuting Jews (and a lot of the neighbouring countries pretty much emptied of Jews when Israel was created as a place for them to go).

When you said Europe had responsibility for the Holocaust, you could have afforded to be a little bit more specific there too.

Fair enough.

My point was that if you’re going to say that it was necessary for Israel to exist because of the Holocaust you should bare in mind the Palestinian Arabs were not to blame for that yet they ended up being turfed out of their land because of it. I’m aware Zionism predates WW2 but there was a large influx of people into Palestine after the war for obvious reasons.

I’m sure there were tensions between the Muslims and the Jewish prior to this. There always has been (with some involvement from Christianity as well).

Just read this thread about Nigel Farage being on I am Celebrity and the antisemitic conspiracy theories he has been spreading in the past https://x.com/peterwalker99/status/1726207848651325670?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g

Not sure he should be allowed a platform on a family show.

The land was spit because the British were leaving and the Jews and Arabs could barely stop killing each other for years before 1948. It was fought by the international community that the only way to try and stop a full on massacre or war was to spit the land. Two thirds went to the Arabs, which is now know as Jordan. One third to the Jews which Is Israel, west bank and Gaza. The Arab countries surrounding attacking in after declared a state meant the west bank and Gaza areas have changed control between different states a few times. Hence why it has been difficult for those civilians living there to find peace.

These are just a few examples of Arabs attacks on Jewish people on the land before 1948 when Israel declared themselves a state and why the international community came up with the plan because the British forces were leaving:

Safed looting 1834,
Hebron massacre 1834,
Attack on Safed 1838,
Jaffa deportations 1917,
Attack on Tel Hai 1920,
Jaffa riots 1921,
the riots 1929,
the riots in 1936

But other than that, life was not awsome before jews had independence!

One third to the Jews which Is Israel, west bank and Gaza

My understanding is that the West Bank and Gaza (and east Jerusalem) were to go to the Palestinians not the Jewish. That was the two state solution wasn’t it?

These are just a few examples of Arabs attacks on Jewish people on the land before 1948 when Israel declared themselves a state and why the international community came up with the plan because the British forces were leaving
The Palestinians weren’t the only ones doing the attacking though

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks

I did say at the beginning of that post that

"The land was spit because the British were leaving and the Jews and Arabs could barely stop killing each other for years before 1948."

Actually the two state solution was not what you think originally. The British Mandate was massive and the part allocation to the Arabs was much bigger than the Jews because it was going population at the time and other factors. I will add a picture to illustrate to you.

Unfortunately Jordan has had the land allocated for the Arabs since the war in 1948 when the surrounding states attacked Israel after it was declared a state. A barely spoken about land grab happened. At the time they also took the west bank but years later during a way Israel won it back again. Egypt took the land that is Gaza during a war. However it was taken back again after a different war. The two state solution changed to what we think of as West bank and Gaza because the land that was Jordan isn't going to be handed back to the Arabs in the Holy Land. Therefore they need somewhere of their own to live.

Therehas been various wars, borders have changed as happens in wars and complicated!

Crikey Reallife, when I read your post it simply said 'fair enough'. That was a long and late edit!

Crikey Reallife, when I read your post it simply said 'fair enough'. That was a long and late edit!

Yeah sorry, I edited it just after I’d posted it though.

Unfortunately Jordan has had the land allocated for the Arabs since the war in 1948 when the surrounding states attacked Israel after it was declared a state. A barely spoken about land grab happened. At the time they also took the west bank but years later during a way Israel won it back again

No I’m certain the West Bank and Gaza were in the land allocated to the allocated to the Arab population.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/United-Nations-Resolution-181

During the 1948 war Jordon took control of part of Palestine (now known as the West Bank) and Egypt held Gaza. Most of the Palestinian refugees ended up there. Israel took control of these territories in the six day war but their claim to them is disputed.

Most people seem to think Israel was thought to needto be there for the Holocaust survivors and the Jewish indegenious people on the land in 1948.

However it needed to be there for the Jewish people in the middle east too. Before 1948 Slowly they were getting ethnically cleansed from the middle east. In many countries there were pogroms and riots. Jewish villages were burnt and people murdered. Also a middle eastern Jewish person living in a Muslim run person was thought of as dhimmi. A second classed citizen that pays more taxes. That often was only allowed to own certain businesses or do certain jobs (something that happened in Europe over the years too). In Morocco Jewish people were forced to where embarrassing special clothes. So everyone knew they were a Jew. As far as I am aware to this day in Egypt a Jewish man can only marry a Jewish woman ( Thrule may have changed I don't now but it was still in place 10 years ago)

After 1948 the ethic cleansing of Jewish people in the middle east stepped up even faster because of the conflicts happening.

Sorry this image is about 5 years old and the number of Arabs in Israel has gone up. Plus the other numbers may be a bit different now but it gives you an idea of what has happened concerning Indigenous Jewish people living in the middle east. Hence why a large percentage of the citizens of Israel have middle eastern heritage not American or European. Social media has a lot to answer for with their white coloniser talk!

It was an amended plan after the first wasn't going to work. Three different plans at least were put through. Israel accepted the second and the Arabs didn't.

They also accepted the third plan which the Arabs didn't.

Also a middle eastern Jewish person living in a Muslim run person was thought of as dhimmi. A second classed citizen that pays more taxes. That often was only allowed to own certain businesses or do certain jobs (something that happened in Europe over the years too).

To be fair it the concept of Dhimmi did not just apply to Jewish people but Christian’s as well as some other groups. From what I’ve read the levels of antisemitism in the Middle East has gotten worse not better over the last hundred years.

Not that I’m trying to claim it was all rosy. It was interesting to read about the Jaffa deportations in 1917 as that sounds similar to what happened to the Palestinians in 1948.

Yes anyone not Muslim living in an Islamic country is dhimmi status. We were talking about Jewish people so I was explaining what it was like for Jewish people not Christians. It was Jewish people that got the rough end of the stick most with the ethic cleansing thing in Arab countries though. Particularly because the middle eastern Jews had nowhere to flee too before Israel was declared a state. They could try and go to the west if they could afford ot but as refugees were not always allowed or excepted. The British for a start had often blocked Jewish refugees access. Even at the start of world war 2 Britain and many other countries were not allowing Jewish refugees fleeing Hitler. They literally turned boats away and sent the Jews back.

Quite and the poster who immediately Jumped on my point actually proved my point.

I think in some Arab countries that is not the antiquated system we are led to believe.

Even at the start of world war 2 Britain and many other countries were not allowing Jewish refugees fleeing Hitler. They literally turned boats away and sent the Jews back.

Yes that’s what I was thinking when I put the blame on the Europeans (rather than just the Nazis) in an earlier post. The other country’s did very little to protect the Jewish populations at the time.

A lot of middle eastern state have moved on yes. Whereas Turkey seems to be going backwards slowly since Erdogan. When my father lived there it was such an open and good place to be Jewish. Now the government has made it is feel uncomfortable for Jewish residents. Most the citizens are still lovely though

Going back to this for a moment

It was an amended plan after the first wasn't going to work. Three different plans at least were put through. Israel accepted the second and the Arabs didn't.
They also accepted the third plan which the Arabs didn't

I assume the amended plan (the map for the 2 state solution I posted) was the second plan. But what was the first and the third?

Yes. I believe most countries didn't realise what Hitler intended for the Jews in the beginning. I mean Hitler didn't even finalise his plans at the start himself. However once rumours and news about what was happening started the British took a time to accept Jewish refugees.

Every year politicians pat the UK on the back during Holocaust Remembrance. However what they fail to acknowledge or don't know is that even the kindertransport plan that ended up saving ten thousand Jewish children was at first refused permission. It was only when Jewish organisations and people guaranteed they would finance the plan and house the children themselves that it was given permission.

It is on record that even the British forces on Mandate of Palestine actually fired upon a ship of Jewish refugees during the war. It made them return to Europe.

Just watched the LBC clip. It’s really mind boggling how that woman just refuses to answer such a simple question.

Every year politicians pat the UK on the back during Holocaust Remembrance. However what they fail to acknowledge or don't know is that even the kindertransport plan that ended up saving ten thousand Jewish children was at first refused permission.

And only allowed kids. They could have chosen to save adults too.

Jewish people here in Britain took to the streets in protest. To ask the government to help the Jewish people in Poland at the beginning. Also for Jewish people to be allowed entry into Britain.

Despite what some think most Jewish people believe strongly in the right to protest and free speech. We are only saying can some of the protesters for Gazens please stop using antisemitisc words, chants and phrases. Also can some stop throwing fireworks or doing anything else antisocial or that intimates others. We are not saying they don't have a right to march if they feel strongly about the situation.