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Conflict in the Middle East

My question to you

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whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 08/11/2023 21:40

If Hamas was hiding in Tel Aviv, would it be acceptable to indiscriminately bomb Tel Aviv killing 4000 children, 10000 civilians, 24 journalists and 70 UN colleagues?

If a school shooter was hiding out In a classroom, when would it ever be morally accepted to bomb the entire school?

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Humdingerydoo · 08/11/2023 21:48

They wouldn't need to bomb if it was in Tel Aviv as they know the streets there. There aren't any tunnels to take into consideration. No booby traps to avoid.

I really wish people would stop pretending this is a straightforward and simple war. Comments like this show that people really don't understand what Israel is up against, the complexities of it all.

Same goes for the school - wouldn't need to bomb as can get the blueprints and plan accordingly

FOJN · 08/11/2023 22:04

Well if this does turn into a wider war and another country launches an air attack on Israel then they will likely bomb Tel Aviv because that's where the IDF HQ is, that would make it a legitimate military target.

I wonder if people will accuse the IDF of using Israelis as human shields or if people will just shrug their shoulders about civilian casualties and say 'it's war, shit happens".

Sugaristheenemy · 08/11/2023 22:20

They wouldn't need to bomb if it was in Tel Aviv as they know the streets there. There aren't any tunnels to take into consideration. No booby traps to avoid

I think you’ve missed the point.

Humdingerydoo · 08/11/2023 22:23

Sugaristheenemy · 08/11/2023 22:20

They wouldn't need to bomb if it was in Tel Aviv as they know the streets there. There aren't any tunnels to take into consideration. No booby traps to avoid

I think you’ve missed the point.

No, I don't believe I did. Feel free to clarify the point if you want though.

Sugaristheenemy · 08/11/2023 22:29

No, I don't believe I did. Feel free to clarify the point if you want though

If Hamas was hiding in Tel Aviv, would it be acceptable to indiscriminately bomb Tel Aviv killing 4000 children, 10000 civilians, 24 journalists and 70 UN colleagues

notsoready4school · 08/11/2023 22:33

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 08/11/2023 21:40

If Hamas was hiding in Tel Aviv, would it be acceptable to indiscriminately bomb Tel Aviv killing 4000 children, 10000 civilians, 24 journalists and 70 UN colleagues?

If a school shooter was hiding out In a classroom, when would it ever be morally accepted to bomb the entire school?

i think we all know the answer here but you will never hear the pro Israeli people answer it.

Israeli lives are worth more. They know it not only from what is happening in Gaza, it’s what they have been conditioned to believe from what Israel does in the West Bank as well. Their lives are just more valuable, you can’t waste them the same way. Their children are more precious, why can’t the world just accept that .

Humdingerydoo · 08/11/2023 22:34

Sugaristheenemy · 08/11/2023 22:29

No, I don't believe I did. Feel free to clarify the point if you want though

If Hamas was hiding in Tel Aviv, would it be acceptable to indiscriminately bomb Tel Aviv killing 4000 children, 10000 civilians, 24 journalists and 70 UN colleagues

And I'm saying it wouldn't ever come up. It's very unique to Gaza specifically. It's the only place I know of anyway with secret tunnels under cities.

It's a completely hypothetical situation and therefore impossible to answer.

Humdingerydoo · 08/11/2023 22:35

notsoready4school · 08/11/2023 22:33

i think we all know the answer here but you will never hear the pro Israeli people answer it.

Israeli lives are worth more. They know it not only from what is happening in Gaza, it’s what they have been conditioned to believe from what Israel does in the West Bank as well. Their lives are just more valuable, you can’t waste them the same way. Their children are more precious, why can’t the world just accept that .

You seem to be full of as much hate as you're accusing Israelis of.

Sugaristheenemy · 08/11/2023 22:42

It's a completely hypothetical situation and therefore impossible to answer

Why were you trying to pretend you answered it then?

Humdingerydoo · 08/11/2023 22:50

Sugaristheenemy · 08/11/2023 22:42

It's a completely hypothetical situation and therefore impossible to answer

Why were you trying to pretend you answered it then?

I didn't answer the question - I also never claimed to have answered a question. I pointed out the rather obvious flaw in their question.

ketchup07070 · 08/11/2023 22:52

Humdingerydoo · 08/11/2023 22:34

And I'm saying it wouldn't ever come up. It's very unique to Gaza specifically. It's the only place I know of anyway with secret tunnels under cities.

It's a completely hypothetical situation and therefore impossible to answer.

The Vietcong used extensive tunnel systems. Apparently they are now a tourist attraction.

Brrrrrrrrrrrr · 08/11/2023 22:53

So because the terrorists who are hell bent on murdering innocent Jews brazenly hide amongst innocent civilians in Gaza you think Israel shouldn’t have a military operation to protect themselves from said evil?

Civilian casualties of war are a terrible thing but equally so are the atrocities the Hamas barbarians would carry out if they were left unchecked.

Pinkdressinggownbelt · 08/11/2023 22:55

Before all this I was neutral maybe even leaning towards Israel (bible history blah blah ) now I’m so so disgusted by this shameful bullying genocide. I’m ashamed of myself bc I can’t voice this irl for fear of repercussions, people in authority connected to me have different feelings on this. I’m so sad the world is watching/letting this happen . Germany did the holocaust, why wasn’t land taken from them to give Jewish people a refuge. How is it for Palestine to pay for the wrongs of Europe? Killing tens of thousands and displacing millions in a ‘war’ against people with homemade rockets…. Disgusting

ticketstickets · 08/11/2023 22:59

Hamas are already bombing Tel Aviv. Israel invests a lot in a. shelters and b. the Iron Dome.

Shame Hamas didn't do that instead of building tunnels and planning mass pogroms.

If a 911 situation happened again they would likely shoot down the aircraft with all the innocent passengers on board.

Ecdysiast · 08/11/2023 22:59

@Humdingerydoo If Gaza wasn't put under a 16-year siege (with a blockade from air, land and sea) there would have been no need to build tunnels.

RebekaTuwin · 08/11/2023 22:59

Humdingerydoo · 08/11/2023 21:48

They wouldn't need to bomb if it was in Tel Aviv as they know the streets there. There aren't any tunnels to take into consideration. No booby traps to avoid.

I really wish people would stop pretending this is a straightforward and simple war. Comments like this show that people really don't understand what Israel is up against, the complexities of it all.

Same goes for the school - wouldn't need to bomb as can get the blueprints and plan accordingly

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After checking the international laws regarding warfare, it doesn’t say that it’s ok to bomb civilian infrastructure and cause thousands of civilian deaths if you don’t have the blueprints of the buildings in a war zone. It seems an odd exception to think applies to international law as in most armed conflicts no one has blueprints and yet they are expected to minimise civilian casualties.

noblegiraffe · 08/11/2023 23:02

How many civilians were killed during the "shock and awe" bombing of Iraq over weapons of mass destruction?

Or the invasion of Afghanistan looking to destroy Al-Qaeda?

In response to 9/11.

Humdingerydoo · 08/11/2023 23:02

Ecdysiast · 08/11/2023 22:59

@Humdingerydoo If Gaza wasn't put under a 16-year siege (with a blockade from air, land and sea) there would have been no need to build tunnels.

Ok so you think Israel (and a Egypt) just randomly decided on a siege? You don't think it might have had something to do with the constant attempted, some successful, terror attacks coming from there?

mamma65432 · 08/11/2023 23:05

'If a 911 situation happened again they would likely shoot down the aircraft with all the innocent passengers on board.'

They would do that here as well if they could do it in time to prevent a plane crashing in a highly populated area.

I honestly don't know what to believe about the news coming out of Gaza.

25milesfromhome · 08/11/2023 23:06

They could bomb Tel Aviv indiscriminately but the Israelis would evacuate the civilian population first because they don’t use them as human shields. Over 200,000 Israelis in Southern Israel have already been evacuated/displaced to escape constant Hamas and Hezbollah rocket fire and possible border attacks.

The Ashkelon Hospital in Southern Israel has been hit by rocket fire from Gaza at least twice and some of the 10,000 Hamas rockets fired since Oct 7 have got through the Iron Dome and hit Tel Aviv and other targets. Maybe soon you’ll all get your most fervent wish for more dead and injured Israelis.

Humdingerydoo · 08/11/2023 23:08

RebekaTuwin · 08/11/2023 22:59

After checking the international laws regarding warfare, it doesn’t say that it’s ok to bomb civilian infrastructure and cause thousands of civilian deaths if you don’t have the blueprints of the buildings in a war zone. It seems an odd exception to think applies to international law as in most armed conflicts no one has blueprints and yet they are expected to minimise civilian casualties.

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I didn't say they're bombing because they don't have blueprints 🤦🏻‍♀️ I simply said as they have blueprints for Tel Aviv and schools the ridiculous hypothetical question would never come up. There are no terror tunnels there.

They're bombing civilian infrastructure because it's full of terrorists. Even the BBC have reported on it this evening, which was surprising to say the least.

idontlikebiglights · 08/11/2023 23:09

"Israeli lives are worth more. They know it not only from what is happening in Gaza, it’s what they have been conditioned to believe from what Israel does in the West Bank as well. Their lives are just more valuable, you can’t waste them the same way. Their children are more precious, why can’t the world just accept that ."

Could you explain how you know this? Have you ever been to Israel? Or to Palestine? Heard large groups of Israelis say this?

RebekaTuwin · 08/11/2023 23:11

noblegiraffe · 08/11/2023 23:02

How many civilians were killed during the "shock and awe" bombing of Iraq over weapons of mass destruction?

Or the invasion of Afghanistan looking to destroy Al-Qaeda?

In response to 9/11.

Israel’s current ~10,000 civilian deaths per month kill rate, is 4x higher than the worst year of US civilian deaths in Iraq which was ~30,000 over 12 months. It’s partly because of so many children being killed in Gaza.

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Pinkdressinggownbelt · 08/11/2023 23:14

noblegiraffe · 08/11/2023 23:02

How many civilians were killed during the "shock and awe" bombing of Iraq over weapons of mass destruction?

Or the invasion of Afghanistan looking to destroy Al-Qaeda?

In response to 9/11.

Horrifying to read this. Israel, “The Chosen People” copying Amerikkka in Shock & Awe tactics :( Scales have fallen from my eyes and I believe will fall from so many others eyes…

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 08/11/2023 23:14

25milesfromhome · 08/11/2023 23:06

They could bomb Tel Aviv indiscriminately but the Israelis would evacuate the civilian population first because they don’t use them as human shields. Over 200,000 Israelis in Southern Israel have already been evacuated/displaced to escape constant Hamas and Hezbollah rocket fire and possible border attacks.

The Ashkelon Hospital in Southern Israel has been hit by rocket fire from Gaza at least twice and some of the 10,000 Hamas rockets fired since Oct 7 have got through the Iron Dome and hit Tel Aviv and other targets. Maybe soon you’ll all get your most fervent wish for more dead and injured Israelis.

Israel's iron dome interceptor has reportedly malfunctioned. The missiles have been seen to be doing U-turns and hitting houses and hospitals in Tel Aviv

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