My question to you

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If Hamas was hiding in Tel Aviv, would it be acceptable to indiscriminately bomb Tel Aviv killing 4000 children, 10000 civilians, 24 journalists and 70 UN colleagues?

If a school shooter was hiding out In a classroom, when would it ever be morally accepted to bomb the entire school?

And why do you think Jews lived there?

And to claim you are aware of the history and then claim there was relative harmony is pretty fucking funny 😅

You mean around the time of the ottoman empire when the region was divided differently? The ottoman empire was Muslim I believe. Is that right? Weren't the inhabitants of the region the Philistines which became Palestines?

Yet again the British took land that wasn't theirs and divided it up.

Palestinians are a nationality so linguistically it can be described as a nation. But I see what you are doing, a pp was doing something similar upthread about "Palestinians are only a nationality, not an ethnicity". Attempting to make them 'lesser than' their Jewish neighbours.

I didn't say they think this, they said it. If you think saying something that a Jewish person said is antisemitic, then I don't know what can be done about. There are a few posters on here though who claim to be Jewish but have perpetuated some very antisemitic tropes, so who knows.

No, that's not what I'm doing 🤦🏻‍♀️ I'm just correcting a poster who claims to be well-acquainted with the history of the region. To me a nation is a country, and it wasn't a country. If that is wrong then I stand corrected, that's just what I always understood the word nation to mean.

Stop telling me I think Palestinians are worth less than Jews. It's getting tiresome.

@feralunderclass it was only a few hours ago you were saying you don't make these kind of accusations. Yes, you didn't call me a baby killer. You just accused me of thinking Palestinian lives are worth less than Jewish ones

Funny? The vast majority of the population at the time was Muslim. The Jewish population was a minority.
I am sorry but I don't subscribe to the point of view that anybody has the right to claim land because their holy book says it's theirs.
" Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, it takes Religion." Steven Weinberg. I concur.

At what point did I say it should be Jewish land because their religion says so? My argument is Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish country because there have always been Jews there. That's why it wouldn't make sense for it to be anywhere else in the world. That's not to say I think there shouldn't be a Palestine, because I do.

In future, stop correcting me unless your opinions are backed by fact.
I don't claim to be well acquainted with the history of the region but I have researched it ( from different sources) and learnt about it.

Then we both agree.

Oh right, because I thought based on your previous comment that you thought all Israelis are settlers and presumably then that Israel shouldn't exist. My bad!

Where did I accuse you of that? It isn't in that quoted post.

@feralunderclass
Scroll up a little bit and you'll see it

"But I see what you are doing, a pp was doing something similar upthread about "Palestinians are only a nationality, not an ethnicity". Attempting to make them 'lesser than' their Jewish neighbours."

I said I don't make the pro Israel people synonymous with baby killers. I did say there has been a consistent overtone of posters making out that Jewish lives were more important/valuable/worthy and I'm interested in the reasoning behind it.

Oh, well since I don't believe that I have no answers for you.

If you were Jewish and lived there in, say, 1941, you were referred to as 'Palestinian' because you lived in what was being called 'Palestine' at the time.
I don't think Jewish young women were conscripted into the British army at the time but I have read that they could volunteer. An English woman was in the ATS - women's army - Auxilliary Territorial Service - and she was sent to the Middle East. She did office work, not front-line fighting with a gun in her hand. Alongside her were other British women and also the 'Palestinian girls'. She said, "I was invited to the wedding of one of the Palestinian girls. They stood under the canopy and broke the glasses" - obviously a Jewish 'Palestinian'.

On a thread somewhere, someone posted about Palestinians serving with the British in WW2, but I don't know whether Palestinian Arabs served. Can anyone tell me?

I already explained that I'm willing to accept that I'm wrong - I personally use the word nation to mean a country as I thought that's what it meant.

My (Jewish) grandma wrote about missing and loving Palestine in her diary from the early 40s. I just never thought of it as a country, just as an area. That is all. Clearly I was wrong.

I'm impressed with Dominique De Villepin's speech from further up the thread. And I agree with him - both sides are pursuing "the policy of the deaf" at the moment. It suits Hamas and Netanyahu to bomb the crap out of Gaza - Hamas because it gives them more martyrs and NH because he doesn't have to pursue peace or reconciliation. He's a right-wing fanatic who does want the Palestinians cleared away.

We're not going to get anywhere until this current crop of leaders are gone. :-(

With friends like you who needs enemies?

Posted on dead thread someone posted on so deleted comment.

I've no doubt whatsoever that if Hamas, and indeed a fair number of the Palestinian population, had the weaponry they'd kill every Jewish person in Israel.

I actually think more people suffer and die because this conflict has been artificially extended over decades.

It really is as simple as that Israel exists and they've built a successful country, that most citizens are thriving in. It's not going anywhere.

I really hope Palestinians can be helped to move forward. There are millions of refugees all over the planet (my own grandparents were) and you just have to get on with living.

I'm very, very, very glad my grandparents just moved on instead of raising me into a life of war and destruction.

It's tragic really that generations of Palestinians, particularly their utterly innocent kids, are deliberately put in the way of harm and conflict over and over again.

Sorry I just don't buy this "river to sea" thing. It isn't how life works. There's been hundreds of millions of refugees over the last century and battling like this is definitely a choice.

I blame institutions a lot for this. Activists in positions of power. The UN. Disrupting influences like Irans regime or Russia. They all benefit from perpetual war.

Nobody really cares about the very real lives of those kids. They just want to go to school and play with their friends, fall on love, raise a family... they need to forget about the river and sea and start thriving in peace.

Just saw above its a dormant thread