My question to you

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If Hamas was hiding in Tel Aviv, would it be acceptable to indiscriminately bomb Tel Aviv killing 4000 children, 10000 civilians, 24 journalists and 70 UN colleagues?

If a school shooter was hiding out In a classroom, when would it ever be morally accepted to bomb the entire school?

So how many terrorists have they killed amongst all of these civilians and where is the proof that they are actually killing them? There is a lot of talk of Hamas being here and Hamas being there but where is Israels proof, where is the lost of the 1000s of terrorists they must have killed by now? They've killed 4000 children so the list of terrorists must be enormous to make up for the loss of these children's lives right?

Sometimes I feel like posters here are treating this like some sort of game they want to win. They don’t really give a toss about Palestinians, they just want to start endless bunfights and dominate every discussion with increasingly provocative and accusatory posts. All these “questions” are never really questions at all, it’s just to cause maximum distress and fuel attention seeking behaviour.

@Humdingerydoo
I said that the tunnels were built and evolved out of necessity. How are people supposed to function under a blockade? What would you do in that situation?

Israel is the occupier - they decided to put Gaza under siege so they could focus their troops on the occupation of Palestinians in the West Bank. So that Palestinians in both places could be kept firmly under Israel's grip.

So, Israel government accept total inability provide security to its civilians.

@RebekaTuwin Yes. it's alarming to see the figures for a month - and politicians seem to think this could go on for a while.

But the question was whether it's acceptable to bomb and kill civilians to get at hidden terrorists. Not a numbers game.

If you look at our own history.... starting huge wars in Middle Eastern countries in response to terrorist attacks isn't unusual, is it?

They're bombing civilian infrastructure because it's full of terrorists.
Most of it is not full of terrorists. 50% of residential buildings that housed 1 million people have been reduced to rubble. Do you think that 30,000 terrorists are simultaneously underground in tunnels AND taking up 50% of the homes in Gaza? AND filling up the mosques, churches, schools, refugee camps, bakeries, medical clinics while ALSO hiding under solar panels and in water tanks? AND in every fishing boat too? AND hiding in all the olive trees and greenhouses?

This makes one wonder, if even 25% of everything that was bombed was full of terrorists then,

• why hasn’t IDF won by now? Hamas should all be dead if they’d been where the bombs have gone.
• where is the space for the 2 million civilians?

That was the OP’s question. I was answering your question. No more, no less.

You answered my question, then you tried to make it a competition.

Sadly you are right. All of these people have probably never thought twice about any of this before and it is clear from the grossly oversimplified responses that they have no interest in understanding any of the nuance in this incredibly complex situation. They are just thrilled that it’s finally acceptable to be openly anti-Semitic as long as you cloak it in concern for Palestinian children.

The data shows why there is so much concern. The civilian deaths in one month of bombing Gaza have outstripped the annual average civilian deaths for the US in Iraq. The US in Iraq was as far as I know the worst track record in any recent War on Terror type conflict.

I have no idea how many terrorists they've managed to kill. I know they've hit a lot of their infrastructure, ammunition store rooms etc. Let's be honest though, even if I gave you a verified list of 1000 dead terrorists you'd just say it was fake.

I don't think killing even 4000 terrorists would make up for the loss of 4000 children's lives. I DO however think that preventing Hamas from using Palestinians as human shields and from attacking Israel is necessary in order to prevent many more deaths on both sides in the future . They need to hit the infrastructure and get rid of it all.

Speak for yourself, @25milesfromhome . There are plenty of people here with integrity, who are genuinely distressed by the situation. They do not remain silent when witnessing the indiscriminate killing of over 10000 people.
Thank goodness for them.

I mean, I would have tried to broker peace. And if there were tunnels surely they should have been used to smuggle in food and drink rather than weapons?! You know, to actually help their people?

Your second paragraph is absolute BS and you have zero proof of it. Just the usual conspiracy theories floating around as always

How do you know? Is it because they have destroyed most of the infrastructure in Gaza? I mean sure, destroy mostly everything and you'll hit a lot of Hamas infrastructure I guess.

It’s not a competition. Why would you even go there? I thought your question on how many civilians were killed in the Iraq war was a genuine one. I suppose you were not aware that one month of bombing Gaza is a much higher civilian death rate than it was even in the worst year in Iraq. I can’t help what the real numbers say- they speak for themselves.

They've been used to smuggle in all kinds of things. Chairs for schools that Israel blew up and refused to let Palestinians import replacements. Underwear. Goats. Where have you gotten the idea that they were only ever used for weapons from?

@Humdingerydoo They WERE used to smuggle in food and other necessities!
And my second paragraph is entirely true, and openly discussed in Israeli politics.

Imo it would be no more acceptable than what is being done to the Palestinian civilians .

The killing of innocent people should never be considered acceptable and I don't believe most people think it is.

Yes, I think terrorists and their supporters are in homes, tunnels, mosques, churches, schools, refugee camps, bakeries etc. And if they're currently not there, their equipment, store rooms, ammunition manufacturing paraphernalia etc still are. Why is that so impossible to believe? They're terrorists. Of course they're spread out all over the place.

It’s not a competition. Why would you even go there?

No, you went there, not me.

Is it ok to bomb places killing civilians to get at terrorists? Obviously the answer to the OP is supposed to be 'no, never, shame on Israel'. Except we did it too. Killing thousands of civilians.

Your response was to then say 'oh, but Israel are killing more than we did'.

So it's not about discussing the question in the OP is it? It's just about going on about how bad Israel are.

Yes, your previous attempts to point score and continuously derail a thread specifically about antisemitism was an excellent display of integrity. There are at least 200 other threads on which you could have displayed how much you care.

Isn't that exactly what Biden or Blinken did when He said that the attack of 7th October would equal to x amount of 9/11
To show the comparison

Why don't you just be direct, @Humdingerydoo ? You think "terrorists and their supporters" = all of Gaza? That's what you seem to be implying. Do correct me if I'm mistaken.

Not on this thread I don't think.