My question to you

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If Hamas was hiding in Tel Aviv, would it be acceptable to indiscriminately bomb Tel Aviv killing 4000 children, 10000 civilians, 24 journalists and 70 UN colleagues?

If a school shooter was hiding out In a classroom, when would it ever be morally accepted to bomb the entire school?

It’s more like: terrorists, their terrorist sympathisers plus human shields covers all of Gaza.

Hamas isn't a lone criminal in a school or a small, criminal terrorist cell, holed up in enemy territory. They are the elected government of Gaza, carrying out the genocidal manifesto upon which they were elected. There are tens of thousands of them, they have been trained by the Iranian Guard, they are worth billions and they have built their own well-stocked military infrastructure. This isn't some rogue group who carried out a criminal act in Israel and then hid among the population of Gaza; it's the government of Gaza who declared war on Israel, used their own people as human shields, and then sat back smirking while the rest of the world scolds Israelis for actually fighting the people who are trying to kill them, instead of holding a few candlelit vigils and recording a charity single.

Hamas could stop the war if they surrendered, but that doesn't seem to be the kind of ceasefire that the 'ceasefire' people truly want.

Too many people tagging me for me to be able to reply individually right now -

Why did they use the tunnels for weapons at all? Why was that even a thing? Why are you defending Hamas spending millions on tunnels instead of food and security for their people? Why are you excusing it? Why aren't any of you acknowledging how utterly fucked up it all is? That they're hiding in schools, mosques, hospitals. That they're still firing rockets into Israel.

My point is that even at the highest estimate of 30,000 Hamas terrorists, there are not enough of them for even one lone terrorist to be everywhere that has been bombed. Not even if they all moved to a new location five times a day.

If IDF knows its targets are all Hamas, as it has claimed, then Hamas and all the hostages would have all been dead by day 10. I am including the hostages because they are indisputably human shields being used by Hamas. This is a problem I have with Israel deciding to bomb Gaza in an attempt to strike Hamas because it endangers the hostages to an unacceptable degree in my opinion. Even if IDF scores a direct hit on Hamas, there is a high risk it will kill an innocent hostage too.

It is day 32 and Hamas are not all dead. So, it is my informed opinion that IDF doesn’t know where Hamas are, and the bombing is a campaign of collective punishment to clear the battlefield of civilians by indiscriminate bombing. A tactic that, while brutally efficient, is also illegal under international law due to us supposedly learning our lesson in prior wars.

I've never attempted to derail any thread, @25milesfromhome . And why shouldn't I be allowed on a thread about anti-Semitism?

But they're not just trying to kill Hamas. They're also trying to destroy their infrastructure. That is surely the more important thing - preventing them from being able to repeat the massacre last month.

The human shield rhetoric is beyond tiring and makes zero sense. The shield has to have value does it not???
Israel does not give the smallest shit about any Palestinian so Hamas couldn’t use them as shields even if they wanted to. Stop with the human shield crap.

the rest of the world scolds Israelis for actually fighting the people who are trying to kill them

The rest of the world has no problem with Israelis fighting the people (Hamas) that are trying to kill them (Israelis). The rest of the world is rightly concerned and most are calling for a cease fire (if you go by the UN vote) because Israel’s IDF have killed not the people fighting them, but over ten thousand innocent civilians, including over 4,000 children. These were not the people fighting Israel.

Especially when you look outside Gaza at the people being killed and arrested in the West Bank. Those were not the people trying to kill Israelis either.

No, that's not even close to what I'm implying. That's what you're choosing to incorrectly infer because it would suit your fucked up narrative for me to hate Palestinians. But I don't. I do however think there are more terrorists in Gaza than just Hamas, and that a lot of them would be considered civilian as they don't belong to a terror group. A bit like I think the settlers in the West Bank that are going around killing Palestinians are also terrorists.

@EsmaCannonball
Or Israel could give them back the land they stole from them. After all, that's what this conflict is about. Palestinians were displaced from their homeland, and then occupied. That's not something people forget. I think most people in that situation would hate whoever did such a thing to them, regardless of their religion, race or creed.
But you seem to think the Palestinians should sit pretty and profess love to Israel in return. Not very realistic, is it?

Well it's certainly what @PurpleChrayne thinks (see above). So much hate speech.

What Hamas terror related infrastructure have they bombed? All Hamas needed was a bulldozer, some para gliders, some motorcycles and cars, and weapons. None of that depends on the infrastructure and other targets that have been bombed as far as I can see.

@PurpleChrayne Jew hate? Ive heard some vile things come from the mouths of Israelis.
One was interviewed on BBC news yesterday saying he had no pity for the deaf Gazan children because they are all tattooists. He said so with a smirk.
Ive seen videos of large groups chanting death to Arabs and making slit throat signs.

@Pinkdressinggownbelt
Me too. I could have written your post. It was my young adult children who,opened my eyes and now I feel so ashamed for not getting it until now.

Israel does care about innocent civilians which is why Hamas using human shields is effective. They know Israel will have to think multiple times before doing anything when civilians are involved.

Just because you're choosing not to believe it doesn't mean it isn't true.

Dead and terrorists. Bloody autocorrect

That's a disgusting comment @25milesfromhome

@Humdingerydoo
'Israel does care about innocent civilians which is why Hamas using human shields is effective. They know Israel will have to think multiple times before doing anything when civilians are involved.'

Yeah, they've clearly been really measured and considerate in their approach to murdering thousands of children.

A dozen extra opportunist terrorists out of a population of over 2 million doesn’t prove that “Jew-hate”is part of “Gazan DNA”.
The phrase “Gazan DNA” has racist overtones btw. Would you ever say any sort of hate is baked into “Jewish DNA”?

Why is Hamas not returning the kidnapped, and fleeing their civilian hiding holes?
Why is Hamas continuing to hide amongst their own families??? They should have evacuated all children and women and non political civilians if they continue to stay hiding in Gaza. Hamas deserves to be punished and Israel gave them warning to evacuate families.

The whole situation is horrific. The deaths are too many and not targeted enough. A stop fire would be logical.

Why doesn't Hamas give themselves up and ask for a cease fire?

They drop an average of 40 bombs an hour and have done for weeks now. I'm really not convinced they have the time to 'think multiple times' with that rate of bomb dropping. Not even 2 minutes per bomb.

It doesn't stop them bombing, even though they know they will kill innocent people. You wouldn't have to be a genius to see these human shields offer no protection whatsoever.

Oh, so we're back to Israelis being settler-colonialists, instead of indigenous or migrants or refugees? We've seen what a one-state Palestine would look like and it's one where every day would be October 7th for Jewish people.

@Humdingerydoo what evidence do you have to support your belief?
I can see with my own two eyes that thousands are dead and dying and despite this Israel refuses to relent. if you want to talk about beliefs it is mine that they want EVERY last one dead. Every last one.