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Conflict in the Middle East

My question to you

345 replies

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 08/11/2023 21:40

If Hamas was hiding in Tel Aviv, would it be acceptable to indiscriminately bomb Tel Aviv killing 4000 children, 10000 civilians, 24 journalists and 70 UN colleagues?

If a school shooter was hiding out In a classroom, when would it ever be morally accepted to bomb the entire school?

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ThinkWise · 12/11/2023 21:59

Oh, yes you don't care about them, and you only care about state of Israel part. It lso sound like people of Israel too but political powers.

structural · 12/11/2023 22:10

ThinkWise · 12/11/2023 21:59

Oh, yes you don't care about them, and you only care about state of Israel part. It lso sound like people of Israel too but political powers.

Is that directed at me? I have no idea what any of that means but I'm going to assume it's not an answer to my question.

ThinkWise · 12/11/2023 22:18

structural · 12/11/2023 22:10

Is that directed at me? I have no idea what any of that means but I'm going to assume it's not an answer to my question.

you can give up very safely.

structural · 12/11/2023 22:27

ThinkWise · 12/11/2023 22:18

you can give up very safely.

Once again, no fucking clue what you're on about.

ThinkWise · 13/11/2023 10:08

structural · 12/11/2023 22:27

Once again, no fucking clue what you're on about.

fustrated right. because you dont want to read or understand something which you can not defend Israel.

structural · 13/11/2023 10:14

ThinkWise · 13/11/2023 10:08

fustrated right. because you dont want to read or understand something which you can not defend Israel.

I'm sorry, I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say. Isn't it a bit early to be on the drink anyway?

ThinkWise · 13/11/2023 10:28

structural · 13/11/2023 10:14

I'm sorry, I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say. Isn't it a bit early to be on the drink anyway?

typical defending of Israel or if you can't you start bullying.

structural · 13/11/2023 10:37

ThinkWise · 13/11/2023 10:28

typical defending of Israel or if you can't you start bullying.

Look. You said (I think, it's hard to tell) that you don't think the state of Israel should exist. I asked what you think should happen to it and the people who live there. And instead on answering you started rambling about fuck knows what and I'm lost. I'm clearly not going to get anything comprehensible from you.

HoldOnMiGenna · 13/11/2023 10:41

@ThinkWise .

The poster who is answering you isn't being combative or avoidant.
The fact is that you express yourself in a very garbled manner; not just grammar, but the way you go off on tangents , too.
All this plus Circular Reasoning where you have convinced yourself of the person you have put under inquisition's intention without letting them explain themselves is a very immature and trap setting way to communicate.
You have to choose a lane. Either spell correctly and reason on a circular manner within boundaries or vice versa. But you cannot Indulge yourself of all three elements and expect an answer based upon understanding , more than wondering if you are unstable.

ThinkWise · 13/11/2023 11:04

HoldOnMiGenna · 13/11/2023 10:41

@ThinkWise .

The poster who is answering you isn't being combative or avoidant.
The fact is that you express yourself in a very garbled manner; not just grammar, but the way you go off on tangents , too.
All this plus Circular Reasoning where you have convinced yourself of the person you have put under inquisition's intention without letting them explain themselves is a very immature and trap setting way to communicate.
You have to choose a lane. Either spell correctly and reason on a circular manner within boundaries or vice versa. But you cannot Indulge yourself of all three elements and expect an answer based upon understanding , more than wondering if you are unstable.

Have you bothered to check how it all started? if you too dont really understand , you are welcome to quote it and ask relavant question than add fuel in bullying.

Xenia · 13/11/2023 11:05

I was assuming Thinkwise might be a recent UK migrant with English as a second language and just as I wasnt to hear views of others I appreciate Thinkwise's comments too. I don't agree with them but I hope everyone keeps on posting.

I think Th. made some point about jews from Israel perhaps could be housed in Western states that are friends with Israel. We have certainly taken our share of people from abroad here in the UK including an ex Hamas official now in a council house in Barnet and lots of others - London as retirement home and refuge for all kinds of people as we are so tolerant here. However that tolerance has a limit and if our democracy and that in Israel is challenge the West tends to support its democratic values against its enemies.

ThinkWise · 13/11/2023 19:46

Xenia · 13/11/2023 11:05

I was assuming Thinkwise might be a recent UK migrant with English as a second language and just as I wasnt to hear views of others I appreciate Thinkwise's comments too. I don't agree with them but I hope everyone keeps on posting.

I think Th. made some point about jews from Israel perhaps could be housed in Western states that are friends with Israel. We have certainly taken our share of people from abroad here in the UK including an ex Hamas official now in a council house in Barnet and lots of others - London as retirement home and refuge for all kinds of people as we are so tolerant here. However that tolerance has a limit and if our democracy and that in Israel is challenge the West tends to support its democratic values against its enemies.

Hamas and public funds is irrelavant here, I am speaking about Jew settlers from all parts of the world ccan be invited to empethetic UK homes. Why west bank should bear all the load , not even legal too.

Meant it inlines of 'Home for Ukraine' during Boris Johnson time if really there are Jews at some part of the world have to flee for any reasons.

West should teach a lesson to Israel if that's the challenge than allowing to genocide powerless people.

I do not find any other sensible way to save westbank locals lives.

HouseonAshTreeLane · 16/11/2023 15:49

ThinkWise · 13/11/2023 19:46

Hamas and public funds is irrelavant here, I am speaking about Jew settlers from all parts of the world ccan be invited to empethetic UK homes. Why west bank should bear all the load , not even legal too.

Meant it inlines of 'Home for Ukraine' during Boris Johnson time if really there are Jews at some part of the world have to flee for any reasons.

West should teach a lesson to Israel if that's the challenge than allowing to genocide powerless people.

I do not find any other sensible way to save westbank locals lives.

Why do they have to go to UK homes? Why can't they go elsewhere in Israel?

feralunderclass · 16/11/2023 16:07

HouseonAshTreeLane · 16/11/2023 15:49

Why do they have to go to UK homes? Why can't they go elsewhere in Israel?

Why do the Jewish people need to move anywhere? There are thriving communities in UK and US. I've met them in Israel, they don't want to stay there permanently, they want a foot in both camps (and why not, I'd like a holiday home too).
It's very interesting that many posters keep saying "where should the Jews go?" but without addressing where the Palestinians, who actually live there should go? And why is it ok that those displaced don't have any right of return? Why is the blood of Jewish people so much more important than Palestinians, that those in favour of Israel as it is feel the horrific human rights violations are acceptable? This is a genuine question BTW, no goadiness.

HouseonAshTreeLane · 16/11/2023 16:20

feralunderclass · 16/11/2023 16:07

Why do the Jewish people need to move anywhere? There are thriving communities in UK and US. I've met them in Israel, they don't want to stay there permanently, they want a foot in both camps (and why not, I'd like a holiday home too).
It's very interesting that many posters keep saying "where should the Jews go?" but without addressing where the Palestinians, who actually live there should go? And why is it ok that those displaced don't have any right of return? Why is the blood of Jewish people so much more important than Palestinians, that those in favour of Israel as it is feel the horrific human rights violations are acceptable? This is a genuine question BTW, no goadiness.

No one here has said "the blood of Jewish people" is more important. I was a responding to a posted who thinks Jewish settlers should come to the UK if the settlements should stop, when surely it would make more sense for them to go into the main part of Israel.

whalestoeinstitute · 16/11/2023 16:51

feralunderclass · 16/11/2023 16:07

Why do the Jewish people need to move anywhere? There are thriving communities in UK and US. I've met them in Israel, they don't want to stay there permanently, they want a foot in both camps (and why not, I'd like a holiday home too).
It's very interesting that many posters keep saying "where should the Jews go?" but without addressing where the Palestinians, who actually live there should go? And why is it ok that those displaced don't have any right of return? Why is the blood of Jewish people so much more important than Palestinians, that those in favour of Israel as it is feel the horrific human rights violations are acceptable? This is a genuine question BTW, no goadiness.

Jewish people don't have to move anywhere, obviously, but @ThinkWise (if she's still here after her thread got zapped) seems to think they do.

feralunderclass · 16/11/2023 17:01

HouseonAshTreeLane · 16/11/2023 16:20

No one here has said "the blood of Jewish people" is more important. I was a responding to a posted who thinks Jewish settlers should come to the UK if the settlements should stop, when surely it would make more sense for them to go into the main part of Israel.

People on these threads, since Oct 7th have purported that a Jewish life is more important than a Palestinian one. They say things like "they should just find somewhere else to live" or "plenty of other Arab countries near by where they can go" whilst saying that it is the right of a Jew anywhere to go to their 'homeland'. They are inferring that a foreign person with Jewish heritage is more important than a Palestinian person who lives there, and they expect them to "move on" in order to accommodate them.

whalestoeinstitute · 16/11/2023 17:46

feralunderclass · 16/11/2023 17:01

People on these threads, since Oct 7th have purported that a Jewish life is more important than a Palestinian one. They say things like "they should just find somewhere else to live" or "plenty of other Arab countries near by where they can go" whilst saying that it is the right of a Jew anywhere to go to their 'homeland'. They are inferring that a foreign person with Jewish heritage is more important than a Palestinian person who lives there, and they expect them to "move on" in order to accommodate them.

Weird, I've been reading mn since then and I haven't seen that at all.

Not that it has anything to do with @ThinkWise's statement.

feralunderclass · 16/11/2023 18:09

@whalestoeinstitute you've obviously missed those then. I still remember the posters names, but they've all name changed since it seems. I'm asking this not to be goady BTW, I did have a bit of discussion with one Jewish poster and she said she'd start a thread at a later time. I don't know who Think Wise is.

HouseonAshTreeLane · 16/11/2023 18:24

@ThinkWise is the poster who posts barely comprehensible ramblings about how Israel should no longer exist and all Jewish people eventually become Israeli settlers and how glad she is her friend turned out to not be Jewish. Most of it had since been deleted so not sure if she's still around.

noblegiraffe · 16/11/2023 18:41

I think they started a thread this morning and it was deleted as 'previously banned poster'.

Auvergne63 · 16/11/2023 20:07

noblegiraffe · 12/11/2023 18:30

All Jews are descended from the twelve tribes of Israel, one for each son of Jacob.

Yes, my point was rather one of amusement that someone could ask another person not to erase history and then claim that Israel was founded in 1948 and was just Palestine before then. I mean, there's a bit more history than that.

Of course there is more history that that, but Israel was founded in 1948, on the 14 of May to be precise.
Israel hadn't existed as a nation before that. On that day, the first Jewish state was declared.
Before this, it was called Palestine, a nation that lasted 1200 years.
Be amused as much as you like but you are showing your ignorance.

noblegiraffe · 16/11/2023 20:37

Maybe you could try looking a bit further back if you're so sure there was never anything called Israel in the area.

Humdingerydoo · 16/11/2023 20:43

Auvergne63 · 16/11/2023 20:07

Of course there is more history that that, but Israel was founded in 1948, on the 14 of May to be precise.
Israel hadn't existed as a nation before that. On that day, the first Jewish state was declared.
Before this, it was called Palestine, a nation that lasted 1200 years.
Be amused as much as you like but you are showing your ignorance.

It wasn't a nation called Palestine. The area was referred to as Palestine. Who do you think lived there? Because I can assure you it wasn't just Christians and Muslims.

Auvergne63 · 16/11/2023 20:52

Humdingerydoo · 16/11/2023 20:43

It wasn't a nation called Palestine. The area was referred to as Palestine. Who do you think lived there? Because I can assure you it wasn't just Christians and Muslims.

Funnily enough Jewish, Christians and Muslims lived there in relative harmony until 1948.