Number of Palestinians killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza over 10,000 😡

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Number of Palestinians killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza tops 10,000 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/6/number-of-palestinians-killed-in-israeli-attacks-on-gaza-tops-10000

The Palestinian people having been facing atrocities for decades by Israel. They will never be treated fairly, it's not Hamas keeping them in an open air prison and murdering their children. You are making it sound like they should be grateful? Have you seen Gaza right now?? You think the murder of children and the total destruction will ever be forgotten? They are without food or water or electricity, how is this humane and how do you condone it!

@savvy7 ,

You need to look at purpose, not just numbers.

Israel could bomb Gaza so there was not a living soul left. They won’t because that is not their aim.

Hamas couldn’t do the same to Israel, but if they could, they would. They have stayed it very clearly.

Do you actually realise how extremely fucked up ...

98% of Palestinians (around) will still be alive and, in a few years, be far better governed than under Hamas

... sounds?

By implication: this means - I am an engineer (among other things) by training, so I can maths - "2% will not". That would be, roughly about, the equivalent of Hamas having murdered some ~180k people on 7 October, relative to population size.

Also, do you have any idea how extremist and, yes, colonialist, "Palestinians will be better off - once we have let the people who have been killing, displacing, imprisoning, torturing and dehumanising them for decades do their thing" sounds? And how come that would never be acceptable to Palestinians?

As for your paternalistic lecturing me as to "what war is like": I have been to a war. This particular one, as a matter of fact!

The IDF were quite happy to be shooting unarmed 10-year-olds even 20 years ago. Unfortunately for me, I have vivid memories of accidentally becoming a witness to it!

It is not a "tragedy" when it is the deliberate and/or you have just dehumanised people to a degree that you no longer give a shit when they die.

This post would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragically untrue.

What is Israel's aim?

The clear antisemitism on this thread is shocking.

Israel had men, women and children slaughtered in a terrorist act by a terrorist organisation (as decreed by our government),

And people think Israel going after Hamas is awful. I just didn’t get the same vibe when the western world went after two whole nations to get to Al Qaeda. Yes, there were protests, but nothing like the same anger. When Jews are killed, people always look for justification and lack empathy: it is tragic.

Israel can’t afford to go in softly given Hezbollah on their other border and Hamas hiding among civilians.

It is a tiny country with a population of only 9 million.

It's not antisemitic to say that the killing of tens of thousands of Palestinians is disproportionately and completely and utterly wrong.
The way many members of the Israeli government have spoken about Palestinians recently is unspeakably vile. Horrifying.
No-one has even tried to justify the Hamas attack. No-one has mentioned wanting Jewish people to suffer. The villains here are not Jews or Israelis, it is Hamas, the IDF and the Israeli government. All have committed atrocities.

If someone doesn't agree with what the Israeli state is doing, does that make them anti -semitic?

@abupkis ,

Using your warped logic, Al Qaeda were the victims of 9/11.

I explained on another thread today why I am vehemently opposed to Israel. I come from a country that was occupied. There was a genocide in my country that was carried out by starving people. I am watching another occupying power trying to starve 2.2million people. I watched a girl not much older than my teen crying yesterday because she was starving. Can you understand why that might my turn my stomach? Why no matter who does it due to the history of my people I would find it repellent? The same country who committed genocide in my country are right beside Israel, condoning the starving of more people. Can you see why I would find that chilling? Not everything is black and white. Not everything is antisemitic.

I believe the numbers are correct. Historically they have consistently provided accurate numbers so no reason to doubt. Looking at multiple bombed out buildings and extensive damage to Gaza landscape, 10k doesn’t surprise me

I think Israel is risking a much broader conflict in the Middle East. I fail to see how its actions , in the long term, will increase the safety and security of its citizens.

Anyone who can watch the scenes coming out of Gaza and not feel utter heartbreak must be disconnected from humanity. To accuse people feeling helpless and horrified about the scale of the carnage of being anti semitic is so far into left field as to make you look like a fanatic.

So people not agreeing of you saying “why are you caring if 98% of the population will still be alive” are antisemites. I mean following your own logic why do you care about those dying in 7-10 if only 1400 died ! Maybe cuz some of us care about those that die independently of the amount … they’re people at the end of the day and we care about Palestinians and Israelians. If that’s being antisemitism…

@ChickHenLittle ,

Criticising Israel and its policies is not per se antisemitic. I am no fan of Netanyahu and deplore some of the creeping Apartheid and settlements in the occupied territories.

But…

I am just seeing very little empathy on here for Israelis and how they must have felt seeing their fellow citizens murdered in cold blood and their corpses desecrated. And, for me, as someone of Jewish descent, it is this that is troubling.

Friends I know are afraid to go out wearing their Kippahs and Jewish schools are telling their pupils to not wear uniform travelling to and from school.

I am not imagining the antisemitism.

No Jewish people blocked off a train station in london during a protest and have been coming out in full force condemning what is happening in Palestine. It's definitely not antisemitic. It's just easy for that to be used to keep people quiet and from speaking up. Many of the Jews speaking up lost family members in the holocaust. For decent human beings, this isn't about race or religion. It is about right and wrong.

It’s horrifying that Israel has now broken multiple international laws, murdered 10k innocents and yet we are only requesting a pause.

No one has an issue with Israel dealing with Hamas. Apart from a few deranged individuals most people see them as the terrorists they are.

Can you tell me why objecting to the deaths of thousands of civilians, who have no means of escaping the bombing, is antisemitic?

Is it antisemitic to say that depriving civilians of food, water and basic medical care is a crime against humanity?

I would argue that your accusation of antisemitism in response to these criticisms of the Israeli government is antisemitic itself.