Number of Palestinians killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza over 10,000 😡

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Number of Palestinians killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza tops 10,000 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/6/number-of-palestinians-killed-in-israeli-attacks-on-gaza-tops-10000

If any muslim is fighting for their freedom he is a terrorist.but if any person belongs to other religions is killing innocents and using nuclear weapons then he is a brave person

How many Israeli's murdered by hammas?

This chart shows up to 2020

See, I can actually get on board when you say it like this!

I, too, am horrified at the utter loss of empathy we are seeing! You would say - from your presumed perspective - that I am "Pro-Palestinian" (actually, more complicated: I happen to generally not like nationalism ... but, not the point right now!).

I cried my eyes out over 7 October! And, again, when it was confirmed Shani Louk was dead.

I agree with you over it being utterly horrific when Jewish people feel unsafe, given how heated the discussion has become.

As a matter of fact: I have personally asked a colleague "can you please ping XY and ask him how he is - because, in case you were not aware, XY is Jewish, and he might not be okay. But also: I may not be the right person to reach out, given that he knows about my politics!"

But also: my Egyptian-born, Germany-based colleague, whom I have had over for a meeting, does not feel safe either, given the climate of "general suspicion" against anyone vaguely "Arab" or "Muslim" that has embroiled Germany over all of this. I have, literally, offered the guy to make up some spurious "business need" to be at the London office for a while if things got too much. Coptic Christian person, by the way - hardly likely to take up arms for the khalifa!

We have all got to try and stop dehumanisation whereever we see it happen! And push for political solutions.

Because if we do not, it will happen again. And again, and again, and again, and again. And eventually, it may be us and our children!

THAT is why!

You should feel reassured, my principles do not change depending on someone's ethnicity or religion. I have and will continue to call out antisemitism.

I will not waste my breath condemning Hamas again, it doesn't seem to make any difference.

I agree antisemitism is a problem but insisting that all criticism of the Israeli government is a cover for antisemitism is wrong.

If it happened in the UK, they would tell the hospital to evacuate as best they could and then go in and deal with the terrorist. They absolutely wouldn't leave the terrorist at large to continue their attack. It's madness to suggest they would.

There was a story on the news yesterday that really touched me about a bomb that had been dropped.on Palestine that had killed Palestinians and ripped apart their donkey and cart. It just highlighted the difference between the two nations one with military might, no doubt supported by the US, and one of very limited means, oppressed for decades.

Well yes, going in and dealing with terrorists on the ground to try and prevent loss of civilian lives is what would happen.

inews.co.uk/news/israeli-paramedics-shot-treating-patients-hamas-attacks-2687869

@PurpleChrayne , exactly but many people don’t let the truth get in the way of their prejudice.

When the brits bombed Dresden they killed 25,000 civilians in one night.

@Newbutoldfather Of course it isn't imagined, if even one Jewish person feels unsafe that's not okay. Of course I can't experience antisemitism myself, but I don't doubt your experiences one bit.
I don't see antisemitism in the responses to you, just criticism of the government.
If you do see antisemitism on here, please report it. I have done so with islamophobic comments I've come across and MNHQ are usually on the ball with quickly reviewing and deleting any such posts.

yes, but you understand they are oppressed by their own government right? Hamas have spent millions+++ on underground infrastructure when they could have built functioning above ground infrastructure!

@ChickHenLittle ,

There was one poster on here earlier whom I did report for an obvious antisemitic trope and the moderators quickly deleted it.

However, it is hard to report an imbalance or lack of compassion and empathy, which is what I feel. Most here are well educated (including the poster I reported) and would never consider themselves antisemitic. But a lot of them are, nonetheless.

We are not allowed to voice our thoughts on the Israeli government deliberate ethnic cleansing. If we do, we must be anti semitic . Well I am sick of it. I will forever condemn this utter carnage. You will not silence me.

Each number was a life, yes a life. Each mattered.

Antisemitism is so deeply embedded in society that people truly don’t realise they are doing it. I have been Jewish all my life but I’m only now waking up to the depth of antisemitic feeling. It’s terrifying

The irony!

@Newbutoldfather I'm glad they did, resorting to prejudice invalidates what someone has to say.

I can't speak for everyone, but at least the majority of posters supporting Palestinians do have empathy for Israeli civilians too. I do. However, my concerns are mainly with Gaza at the moment due to the ongoing humanitarian crisis that gets worse by the day. Not only are they in serious danger, they lack the basics to survive and don't know if the hospital in which they are being treated/taking refuge will be bombed at any given moment.

Tbh I think you would be best to just report all of the antisemitism that you see rather than to come on and make sweeping statements. Personally, I find it pretty upsetting to be accused of antisemitism because I believe strongly that occupying and starving people is wrong no matter who is doing the occupying and starving. It, to me, feels like a personal attack which isn't allowed on mumsnet. I don't think I should have to feel the need to justify why I feel so strongly about it either.

If you feel that there is an imbalance in views then you are more than welcome to add your views but I don't think personal attacks are they way to get people to hear what you saying.

Are you speaking on behalf of the UK government?

The bombing is absolutely horrible to witness, of course, and it's now done in a world where it can all be filmed and distributed in real time so everyone can see the results of war, which are very hard to stomach.

However it is not true to say that this is some sort of a record, unfortunately since aerial combat became a reality you've got these enormous civilian death tolls. Sixty thousand civilians in France were killed by Allied bombs and that was us aiding them. We killed twenty five thousand in the Dresden firestorm.
The nuclear bombs dropped on Japan killed over a hundred thousand initially with the end result being double that.

And the Allies are celebrated as the heroes, the good guys.

The Vietnam war killed around two million civilians, although that is obviously more controversial, and there have been around three hundred thousand civilians killed in Iraq and a hundred and seventy six thousand in Afghanistan due to the coalition invasions.

In Yemen around twenty thousand civilians have been directly killed by Saudi airstrikes but a further two hundred and twenty seven thousand are estimated dead due to famine.
In Syria, an estimated two hundred and thirty thousand civilians have been killed in the recent conflict.

I could go on here, there have been many more conflicts globally since the end of world war two but you get the picture.

My point I guess is that this is horrible but it is not uniquely awful, there have been many occasions, most notably for our own history the second world war, where civilian deaths have been deemed worth it to achieve an objective by those in power.

I do genuinely think that the utter outrage here is that it is Israel carrying out the airstrikes and causing the deaths, and that if this had been a conflict between two majority-Muslim countries or areas in the Middle East it would not be top of the news cycle and attracting huge protests.

I do genuinely think that the utter outrage here is that it is Israel carrying out the airstrikes and causing the deaths, and that if this had been a conflict between two majority-Muslim countries or areas in the Middle East it would not be top of the news cycle and attracting huge protests.

Then surely the aim should be elevate all causes not shut down discussion on one. Personally I have seen this happening across social media, people highlighting other causes too which is a really positive thing. What I see on mumsnet though is the opposite. A really nasty why do you even care though attitude. Not a it's great that you care so strongly about injustice, have you heard about x, y or z their cause could really use some support too.

Why does the "imbalance" of sympathy upset you but the imbalance of victims doesn't? A state, that is supposed to be civil and democratic, has killed 10k+ civilians in response to an attack by a proscribed terrorist organization that killed about one tenth of that? I think ^thats' what is causing the imbalance of sympathy and it's only going to get worse 😢

A state, that is supposed to be civil and democratic, has killed 10k+ civilians in response to an attack by a proscribed terrorist organizationthat killed about one tenth of that? I think ^thats' what is causing the imbalance of sympathy and it's only going to get worse

Again if you compare to the second world war, Germany lost up to three million civilians whereas the UK lost only 67000.

I think depending on people's view on Israel, they are seeing the bombing of Gaza either as a tit-for-tat revenge attack or as a campaign with a specific objective, and civilian deaths as unintended but unavoidable collatoral.