To be horrified re the 2000+ children killed in Gaza.

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The news tonight was unbearable.
I am sickened that the West is not calling for a ceasefire or some restraint.
I found out today that Gaza is almost exactly the same size as the small Hebridean island of Jura. But whereas Jura has a few hundred residents, Gaza has 2.4 million packed in. You couldn't throw a stone into Gaza without it hitting someone, never mind a missile.
The children of Gaza are not terrorists and I wish Israel would stop.

Lolapusht · Today 00:05

They’re also not entirely without electricity (lots of solar panels), food and water (Israel supplies around 10%).

I'm sorry, but you are wrong about the water; Netanyahu said that its not going back on until all of the hostages have been freed.

I admire the old lady who shook hands with the terrorists and said "Peace." I can only hope that it will lead some of them to pause and think, "Jewish people are human, just like us."

The water situation is complicated and this is only part of the story

Gaza used to be self-sufficient for water. The Gaza Aquifer could supply the entire population until the population increased rapidly over the last 10 years or so and demand outgrew the supply

Due to rising sea levels the aquifer has become tainted with sea-water and in recent years it has become contaminated with faecal bacteria - it's now deemed not safe to drink though still okay for bathing, laundry etc

This is what people are drinking at the moment and there's not enough of it

So due to the failure of the aquifer other sources of drinking water have been sought via Israel [paid for by humanitarian aid] but also de-salination technology [not gone well because Hamas stole aid funds] - the de-salination plants need an electrical supply so they have fallen foul of the electricity/fuel for generators embargo and no longer functioning

Israel agreed to turn the water back on sometime last week but is only supplying it to the designated 'safe area' in southern Gaza - 4% of the usual amount

At the best of times Gaza runs thirsty but now the UN stock of bottled water is gone- water tankers are bringing some water in from from Egypt with the other humanitarian aid only for the south and nowhere near enough

It's all very precarious

This needs to stop. I'm worried the dead children piling up is going to be normalised and something we end up occasionally having to dig up for info as we continue living our life. This is how genocides happen. As for terrorists, the most elite army cannot single out terrorists or do operations without harming civilians simply don't want to actually eliminate terrorists and quite frankly purposely target civilians to wipe out their kind. Less people, more land to grab by Netanyahu ey?

One big difference between London and Gaza is it doesn't have a great big wall round it stopping anyone leaving and has control of it's own airport/airspace

London is also pretty dependent on 'outside aid' for food and fuel too but we're okay with that because they create all the wealth in the UK! Anything Israel supplies to Gaza is paid for by international aid some of which is of dubious provenance - it's not done for free

20% of Gazas electricity was supplied by solar panels pre the war - personally I'd not call that lots but maybe some? Wondered why there aren't more too. Though solar panels don't do well with flying shrapnel, they are hard to hide and very vulnerab;e on roof tops - just as Gaza has been lobbing missiles into Israel for years, Israel has been doing some light bombing of Gaza infrastructure too

Such a mess

Ok but just from this country, Theresa May spearheaded bombing the fuck out of Syria and Iraq just a few short years ago.

Or doesn't that count because the telly didn't show you the destruction? Because, laughably, the British Government only accepted killing one civilian, because its precision strikes were so world-beating and amazing? The only one of its allies not to accept responsibility for thousands of civilian casualties, by the way.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/04/only-civilian-victim-uk-bombing-campaign-is-syria-iraq-military

Ive been perplexed by that too - and the water as well

Today I learnt that UN has huge warehouses in Gaza storing fuel medicines water etc - because they're not being topped up with new deliveries of aid they are now virtually empty

UN said yesterday they have 2 days of supplies left and after that they will not be able to function in Gaza

Also Hamas has been stealing fuel from the UN intended for hospital generators

Hamas cannot possibly bomb Israel to the same extent Israel is bombing Gaza because Hamas does not have an air force. Imagine if the UK government had sent the RAF to bomb Belfast in the hope of wiping out the IRA.

It’s disgusting. It is so far beyond self-defence. I can’t believe anybody can justify the slaughter of innocent people. They need to stop bombing now.

This is not about self defence any more. It's ethnic cleansing. It's about as proportionate at the UK obliterating the Catholic areas of Belfast and other towns in NI in response to IRA attacks.

And in doing something so obviously wrong, the Israeli government is providing fertile breeding ground for the next generation of Hamas. Perpetuating the cycle of violence. Young Palestinian boys who survive this will grow up hating Israel and seeing it as an enemy to be destroyed - because this is what Israel is teaching them right now.

‘I think the majority of people wish they would stop.
I don't know what the answer is.’

stop carpet bombing while pretending that’s going root out individual terrorists. It’s collective punishment.
No country claiming to be civilised punishes an entire country for the actions of the few.

the way to stop Gazan children being slaughtered is to stop killing them.

Israelis are now wondering why we aren’t talking about the dead from the Hamas attack as much any more. 2,000 +
and GROWING dead children - that’s why.

You're quoting me without tagging me, so I'll reply (again) - i mean the long term answer of how to resolve the ongoing conflict, not just what needs to hsppen immediately.

Just so people stop quoting this, I mean I don't know what the long term resolution to the ongoing conflict should be, not only this current horrific situation. I should have added the words long term to start with.

‘epic suffering’ - that’s from the UN.
Israel can no longer claim any moral authority.
it’s creating generations of hatred and is in real danger of dragging us into another World
War.

Looking at my tiny newborn son, who gets his Jewish heritage from me, and wondering exactly how anyone can think that the murder of innocent children can be justified as a form of revenge.

If so, exactly how many babies are appropriate collateral for murders committed by adults?

Some posters need to take a look at themselves.

it’s creating generations of hatred
sadly the hatred has been there for decades already, haven't you seen the reports, all the videos of all these crowds of people publicly cheering after the 07th October?

Whatever your opinion towards Israel, cheering terrorists, the murder of innocents and the start of a war is not something human being should be able to do.

and is in real danger of dragging us into another World War.
I think Hamas has managed just that already, what else could they want?

I don't know if there is a solution, but worst, I am not sure anyone who matters knows either. It looks like we're past the "stop bombing" stage, it's beyond frightening.

‘and is in real danger of dragging us into another World War.
I think Hamas has managed just that already, what else could they want?’

Hamas are a terrorist group. They are not creating WW3. Not without the help of whole nations anyway. Get a grip.

the IRA blow up the Old Bailey. The U.K. government reacts by carpet bombing Belfast. The Irish government protest. The US step in and tell the U.K. to stop or else. The U.K. continue to decimate Catholic areas of Belfast, and Derry claiming they need to root out the IRA ( who, by the way, have moved south of the border). Now thousands are dead.
The Irish government say enough is enough.
The U.K. send in more Paras to NI with the backing of France, Germany… and tell the Irish and Americans to piss off and mind their own business. It has a right to protect itself against attacks and has decided to get rid of these terrorist for once - and besides the attack was completely‘unprovoked’ wasn’t it?

The USA decides to use its power to prevent more shelling of NI cities… and moves warships off the coast of Western Ireland.

THATs how conflicts escalate into regional wars - not because a terrorist group successfully attacks somewhere.

‘What else could they want?’

Indeed. So why give it to them? Along with politicised young people ready to fight back against Israel.
Israel’s reaction will do for Hamas recruitment what Bloody Sunday is for IRA recruitment.

It's not true. There are many options to behave in a more humane and less morally reprehensible way. Hamas won't be destroyed like this. It will be fed like this as a generation of Palestinians witness oppression followed by a genocide. I sympathise deeply with what happened in Israel and their position now but bombing children is not the answer. I don't think anyone has the right to behave like this in peace or war. Israel is playing into the hands of a wider agenda and the women and children of Gaza are paying for it with their blood.

Who armed Hamas? Technically it would be more helpful to bomb them if bombing is the answer.

The lack of humanitarian corridors, ceasefires and aid is an outrage as much as the initial massacre was an outrage.

I thought Hamas is hiding in the underground tunnels. If that is the case, how is the bombing targeting Hamas?

It's awful what makes it even worse if it can be is them being told go south getting there then being bombed and seeing them all at the borders trying to flee but no one will let them out! Israel wants the death off everyone not just hammas the children are dying or left with no one and nothing it's heartbreaking.

Are you one of the 19% who think it's okay to continue killing children like this?

You know it's possible to have sympathy for Israeli children and Gazan children too

It doesn't have to be either/or

A ceasefire would need to be from both sides: Hamas are currently firing a lot of rockets daily into Israel. These are 'home made' rockets and about a third are landing back on Gaza, killing their own people.

Israelis want peace, as do some from Gaza, I would hope, however Hamas will settle for nothing other than the destruction of Israel.

Returning the hostages, including the children, and diplomatic peace negotiations would go a long way, but that would never happen while Hamas is in power. Just read their charter if in any doubt.

Hamas are a terrorist group. They are not creating WW3. Not without the help of whole nations anyway. Get a grip.

don't be naive, they are a terrorist group which is the low of the low, but they knew very well what they were doing, they very obviously had backing.

What exactly do you think they expected Israel to do after the massacres of the 07th?

Out of curiosity, what would you have advised the country to do?

I can't help feeling anything but disgust for anyone defending one side or the other frankly or anyone cheering for murdered children, but factually, things are going the way Hamas planned on them going. Murders and bombing was the start of a war.

You can't compare with the blowing of the old Bailey, or any of the terrorists attack experienced recently in Europe.